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re: Beyond Death: The Science of the Afterlife
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:34 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:34 pm to UpToPar
quote:Religion has certain shaped many of the moral standards that people have worldwide, today. It is clearly not necessary for a set of moral standards.
The idea that morality is dependent on religion is asinine.
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The cavemen knew right from wrong
Did they? Define right and wrong. They had a moral code of some sort, maybe. But what was that?
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Hell, most intelligent animals know right from wrong.
Well, that's just nonsense.
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:38 pm to saintsfan1977
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Your god teaches forgiveness but doesnt use it. He punishes for eternity.
God forgives everyone who asks for forgiveness. I know it such a tough thing to do and to admit one is not perfect. But you do not have any excuses.
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He punishes for eternity.
Sounds like you have some major issues with God and how he runs things. When you die you can tell him all about it.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:39 pm to Breesus
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Go into the jungle and see if you don't get killed because an intellegent animal that you find in there knows it's wrong to kill you.
It's not wrong for a wild animal to kill a human. You assumed that when I said that intelligent animals knew right from wrong it is the same as our right or wrong. Just like most don't see it as wrong for a human to kill a wild animal for sport.
Look at animals with any sort of social structure. Elphants, dolphins, primates. They all show compassion towards other members of the social circle and act in the interest of the group. They don't abstain from killing each other because they believe in an afterlife.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:39 pm to ctiger69
quote:You don't?
Sounds like you have some major issues with God and how he runs things.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:42 pm to FLAK88
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It will be like Bill Burr put it...Do you remember anything before you were born? Yea..gonna its be like that.
I don't remember anything 8 months before I was born or for about 2 years after, but I still existed.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:43 pm to ctiger69
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God forgives everyone who asks for forgiveness. I know it such a tough thing to do and to admit one is not perfect. But you do not have any excuses.
Really? But words fall on deaf ears when someone in dire need of help is calling him. Some god you have.
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Sounds like you have some major issues with God and how he runs things. When you die you can tell him all about it.
I wish I could. Unfortunately it wont be around. Hell, even if I called for it, it would ignore me. You know due to being its all "gods will" and all.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:50 pm to Breesus
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Most intellegent animals will kill and or eat you without a second thought and without any remorse or guilt.
They will also kill weaker things without remorse or guilt.
Go into the jungle and see if you don't get killed because an intellegent animal that you find in there knows it's wrong to kill you.
We do the same to them. They don't kill each other in enough numbers to go extinct, just like us.
Morality, at its most basic level, informed by an instinct to ensure the survival of the species.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:52 pm to FLAK88
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I believe whenever a person dies, that person doesn't go to heaven or hell, he or she just doesn't exist anymore
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It will be like Bill Burr put it...Do you remember anything before you were born? Yea..gonna its be like that.
I don't buy that. And not necessarily because of any particular religious reason...
The assertion that our existence (or lack thereof) after death is just like before we were born seems like a lazy theory that doesn't rest well with me.
There's a BIG difference between before we were born and after we die. That big difference is consciousness. Before we were born, we didn't have it. So now that we do, how do we just "lose" it without being aware of something?
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:53 pm to UpToPar
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Just like most don't see it as wrong for a human to kill a wild animal for sport.
Yes but look at everyone freaking out because I want to kill a human for sport. What's the difference?
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Look at animals with any sort of social structure. Elphants, dolphins, primates. They all show compassion towards other members of the social circle and act in the interest of the group.
That interest usually means killing the weak, injured, and the diseased or even each other if food is scarse. You cool with humans emulating that behavior?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:55 pm to saintsfan1977
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But words fall on deaf ears when someone in dire need of help is calling him
Those words do not fall on deaf ears. Because God does not answer prayers the way to wish he would answer them, doesn't mean he doesn't answer them.
To use your own logic: a million years is a blip on the radar compared to eternity. A few years of suffering is a blip on the radar compared to eternal happiness.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:56 pm to Crowknowsbest
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We do the same to them. They don't kill each other in enough numbers to go extinct, just like us.
I don't want to kill enough humans to cause extinction, I just want to kill people I think are weak idiots for the betterment of mankind.
Can we agree that that's not so bad and you wouldn't really mind if I did it because single human life doesn't matter as long as the species survives?
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:57 pm to Breesus
Per 90% of the mouthbreathers that occupy our planet we are already living in hell.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:59 pm to Breesus
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I don't want to kill enough humans to cause extinction, I just want to kill people I think are weak idiots for the betterment of mankind.
A byproduct of human consciousness and intelligence is that we're pretty good at keeping people alive, almost counter to a natural evolutionary process.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:00 pm to Breesus
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I don't want to kill enough humans to cause extinction, I just want to kill people I think are weak idiots for the betterment of mankind.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:01 pm to Jim Rockford
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None of us know. All of us will find out.
Not really. If we don't have consciousness, we won't "find out"
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:01 pm to Breesus
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Can we agree that that's not so bad and you wouldn't really mind if I did it because single human life doesn't matter as long as the species survives?
From a strength of species standpoint, I get that. The reason people have never done that en masse (even before Judeo-Christianity) is that those people have friends and family, and you open yourself up to their retribution. Laws are set up to limit that cycle from starting too often.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:01 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
If heaven is such a sure thing, then why does one of the biggest posterboys for how awesome, fulfilling, and glorious the afterlife in heaven is, ride around in public in one of these?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:02 pm to WiredBobcat
The fact that we still have to put up with Darth even though he has already died once, tells me there isn't a god.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:02 pm to Breesus
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Yes but look at everyone freaking out because I want to kill a human for sport. What's the difference?
Because most people don't equate an animals life with a human life. When I used the term sport, I was probably a little loose with my language. I meant hunting and fishing and eating what you killed or caught. Even though we no long need to hunt or fish to survive (most of us) we are still okay with the idea of it because it was at one time necessary.
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That interest usually means killing the weak, injured, and the diseased or even each other if food is scarse. You cool with humans emulating that behavior?
Again, you assume that morality and right in wrong in the eye of an animal is the same as morality in the eye of a human. We know that that's not the case. My only point was that morality can exist without any belief of an afterlife.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:02 pm to Darth_Vader
He tried for extinction and it was a blanket thing, he didn't pick a and choose idiots, nice try Darth. I'm more thinking along the lines of Dexter. But instead of hunting down other murders and stuff I just hang out at Walmart and Talladega and pick off a few people who shouldn't procreate.
Also, Saintsfan kid already said what Hitler did wasn't that bad he didn't deserve to be punished for it much outside of some jail time.
Also, when you died, did you see anything?
Also, Saintsfan kid already said what Hitler did wasn't that bad he didn't deserve to be punished for it much outside of some jail time.
Also, when you died, did you see anything?
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