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re: Best explanation I've heard, difference between regular flu vs CV

Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:28 pm to
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37697 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:28 pm to
from the comments in the link:


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Who is Kat Storti? What are her credentials? I studied the molecular biology of viruses as a PhD student. At the least, I can say this isn't quite how I would have described the situation to a layperson. For starters, the immune system doesn't generally rely on the recognition of nucleic acids (RNA, DNA). I have a hard time putting any faith in someone who gets this wrong right at the start.



so yet another "best explanation" is disputed.



and if you read the whole article, instead of taking it out of context, you will see the politicization the author brings into the entire article which also makes me skeptical of their true purpose and the accuracy of the claims.

Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:28 pm to
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but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people.



stopped reading after this bs



Yeah, if you dig into this you find that the first cases were in fact in November at the latest. For those that think we should just uncritically accept the BS we are being peddled about the origin of this, please refer me to something that proves your hypothesis. I am not interested in arguments, just interested in knowing how and when this really started.
This post was edited on 3/17/20 at 1:31 pm
Posted by drdoct
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2015
1609 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:29 pm to
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You’re saying this virus now has a 100% infection rate? You must have Proof to back this up, right?


Now I understand why the TP and hurricane items are gone from stores. Their panic is real however very little of what they are panicking about is.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
12618 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:33 pm to
Any newbie lawyer who has litigated only a few cases and has had to deal with expert witnesses can tall you that there are a lot of highly credentialed people out there who will say just about anything to advance an agenda or their personal interests. Take it all with a grain of salt.
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:36 pm to
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It either jumped directly from bats => humans, or from bats => civets/pandolins => humans. Either way, the moral of the story is don't eat fricking weird shite. And don't sell rotting meat of weird shite in open-air markets. Chinese people are disgusting.



Think of how strong their immune systems are compared to the rest of the world, not including India who has like 3 total cases out of 1.4 billion people
Posted by Tiger in Austin
Austin,TX
Member since Sep 2003
1772 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:44 pm to
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That would make an interesting movie plot if it hadn't already been used in every pandemic movie, ever.


It didn't start from the market
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:48 pm to
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Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO ( World Health Org.) tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu).

But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.


Novel viruses are only from animals? I assumed they were emerging viruses, like just a new unknown virus but not necessarily from animals. If so, then Nurse, if you're reading this my apologies as I was wrong the other night. Learning stuff everyday.

ETA: We didn't argue about if they were from animals or not, just the severity of a novel virus.
This post was edited on 3/17/20 at 1:49 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29707 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 2:03 pm to
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Think of how strong their immune systems are compared to the rest of the world, not including India who has like 3 total cases out of 1.4 billion people



I find it very interesting we haven't heard hardly anythign about India.
There is not way that all those dirty arse indians aren't falling dead to this virus left and right. I think there's just no testing going on over there. That place is a shithole, and it's right next to china. There's no way it isn't bad over there. I can't think of another area of the world more overly populated and unsanitary than India. If one person got it over there, it would spread like wildfire.

Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109521 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 2:05 pm to
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China implemented extreme measures designed to slow the spread, and that is what's happened. Some people haven't been allowed to go out of their homes for seven weeks now.


So you think they effectively quarantined every carrier? If not, why is it not spreading “exponentially” elsewhere in China?
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
59347 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 2:32 pm to
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. I can't think of another area of the world more overly populated and unsanitary than India. If one person got it over there, it would spread like wildfire.


I was thinking about this yesterday, and I agree. Personally, I haven’t heard a peep.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85576 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 3:15 pm to
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The same thing people have been telling the “it’s just the flu” tards since the beginning.


I don't think people have been saying that. More that, these animal to human flus have killed a shite load more people. So are we going to shut down everything every flu season?

And why are people bashing the president for taking action earlier than any president in our history?

Posted by Presidio
Member since Nov 2017
3060 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 3:22 pm to
Sounds like a good case for heard immunity
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
7157 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 3:34 pm to
Who knows who actually wrote this. There is a reddit thread on it but the original post is removed.
Posted by rphtx
CO
Member since Apr 2018
1538 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 4:26 pm to
Innate immunity has been designed to detect invasion into the body by foreign bodies. RNA+ viruses trigger a strong immune response. Whether a virus originates in an animal or another human is irrelevant.

There is no such thing as having a "stronger" response to a NEW human vs animal virus. Response would be the same to either new virus. However, response to a virus that has been around for decades would be faster and stronger due to immune system memory.

We develop immunity in response to things that should not be. If this wasn't the case, humans would have died out long ago with any new virus or bacteria. As with anything, poor immune response can be the result of many physiological problems or disease states making immunity less efficient or weaker resulting in death.
Posted by pngtiger
Mobile
Member since May 2004
1832 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 4:28 pm to
I haven’t read through everything to know if this has been said.

COVID attacks the angiotensin receptors in the body. There are 2 areas these receptors are in large quantities: the heart and lung.

In the heart, it causes inflammation of the muscle, which can lead to heart problems and heart failure.

In the lung, the cell that is hit the hardest is type 2 pneumocystes. These are the cells that produce surfactant, which helps keep the alveolae open. When they collapse, our ability to exchange gases greatly diminish. This also leads to massive inflammation and progression to ARDS.

ARDS can be very difficult to treat and almost always require advanced ventilator settings,

And no, we have no medications for it. Steroids make it worse. So does NSAIDs. ACE inhibitors and ARBS potentiate the affects.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
20638 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 4:31 pm to
Yes - out of the meat market in Wuhan came forth an airborne highly contagious virus with tentacles of HIV, SARS and MERS, all rolled into one package.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
22302 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 4:39 pm to
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I find it very interesting we haven't heard hardly anythign about India.


Coronvirus had to take a number behind a few plagues that were already there.
Posted by rphtx
CO
Member since Apr 2018
1538 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 4:39 pm to
American College of Cardiology

"Currently there are no experimental or clinical data demonstrating beneficial or adverse outcomes with background use of ACE inhibitors, ARBs or other RAAS antagonists in COVID-19 or among COVID-19 patients with a history of cardiovascular disease treated with such agents. The HFSA, ACC, and AHA recommend continuation of RAAS antagonists for those patients who are currently prescribed such agents for indications for which these agents are known to be beneficial, such as heart failure, hypertension, or ischemic heart disease. In the event patients with cardiovascular disease are diagnosed with COVID-19, individualized treatment decisions should be made according to each patient's hemodynamic status and clinical presentation. Therefore, be advised not to add or remove any RAAS-related treatments, beyond actions based on standard clinical practice."
Posted by tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
5056 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 4:41 pm to
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Novel viruses, come from animals


That's not what a novel virus is. Novel simply means it is a virus that has not yet been observed.

This is just a FB post from a random Wisconsin radio personality. He claims it comes from someone named Kat Storti. No one can verify that Ms. Storti has credentials w/r/t epidemiology or that she even exists. Basically this is a forward from grandma that people are buying because it is written in a manner that is easy to understand.

Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
42317 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 5:57 am to
Never mind
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 6:04 am
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