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re: Berkeley, CA moves to stop police from conducting traffic stops

Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:37 am to
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44859 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:37 am to
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Traffic stops are one of the best ways for cops to actually take initiative.


Found the bootlicker.


Traffic citations are an additional tax on mainly poor people and another infringement on civil liberties. The abuse of this police power is one of the main driving factors of this BLM crap. Furthermore, you can’t have a crime without a victim. Not sure how we ever allowed the state to fine us for not stopping at a stop sign..... it’s one of the few things BLM got right.
Posted by BoogerNuts
Lake Charles
Member since Nov 2013
943 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:42 am to
Let me know next time you are going through an intersection so I can go to an equipment rental place and get myself a dump truck. I’ll be the one coming from the right at 70mph and ignoring that stop sign. fricking idiot.
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
16231 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:45 am to
The one thing I never understood was cops always talk about how dangerous traffic stops are. If they are so dangerous why is it worth putting your self in such a dangerous situation for a tail light out or expired inspection sticker.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:45 am to
Excellent idea.

Traffic stops are a relic of a time when automobiles were dangerous toys for the rich. Ordinary people rode horses back then, and people on horses didn't get pulled over. They wouldn't have accepted it. So the cops used the transition to motored transport as a way to sneak the concept of the traffic stop into everyday life. No free nation would tolerate such a thing.
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:45 am to
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Not sure how we ever allowed the state to fine us for not stopping at a stop sign..
Never even bothered to read the CONTRACT on your drivers license obviously.

The whole reason you sign the forms and your signature appears on the license is because you knowingly and willingly signed a Contract with the State agreeing to abide by the laws, rules, regulations and their repercussions for breaking the contract, i.e., breaking the traffic laws.

I guess mortgage contracts, property ownership in all forms, is anathema to you also since that also involves contractual agreement.

quote:


Found the bootlicker.
Found the dumbass who doesn't read contracts they sign!
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:49 am to
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The whole reason you sign the forms and your signature appears on the license is because you knowingly and willingly signed a Contract with the State agreeing to abide by the laws, rules, regulations and their repercussions for breaking the contract, i.e., breaking the traffic laws.


That's just asinine. There's no contract on a driver's license. The laws that enabled the traffic stop, establish "implied consent" for breathalyzers and blood draws, etc., were passed before any of us were born. They don't require our signature.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 7:50 am
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
11679 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:59 am to
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The one thing I never understood was cops always talk about how dangerous traffic stops are. If they are so dangerous why is it worth putting your self in such a dangerous situation for a tail light out or expired inspection sticker.


Maybe because they are paid to protect? And while a busted tail light may not be a huge deal at that moment, if the other one goes out then you have someone driving around at night with NO tail lights.

As for inspection stickers, I got nothing. It's a money grab both coming and going.
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
11679 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:01 am to
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Excellent idea.

Traffic stops are a relic of a time when automobiles were dangerous toys for the rich. Ordinary people rode horses back then, and people on horses didn't get pulled over. They wouldn't have accepted it. So the cops used the transition to motored transport as a way to sneak the concept of the traffic stop into everyday life. No free nation would tolerate such a thing.


Shiny, shiny.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:02 am to
Can't wait to see the number of traffic fatalities just from the drinking and driving alone from all this.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:03 am to
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But taking away traffic stops takes away the police’s ability to be proactive in the community beyond just enforcing the speed limit.


And people wonder why autonomous driving cars will be two generations away...
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:06 am to
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The whole reason you sign the forms and your signature appears on the license is because you knowingly and willingly signed a Contract with the State agreeing to abide by the laws, rules, regulations and their repercussions for breaking the contract, i.e., breaking the traffic laws.


The vast majority of traffic stops are for revenue generation. The war on drugs is nothing more than a money grab supported by the Swiss cheese that was once the 4th amendment.
Posted by Crusty
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
2780 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:10 am to
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Not sure how we ever allowed the state to fine us for not stopping at a stop sign


Just how stupid are you? Damn.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:23 am to
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The one thing I never understood was cops always talk about how dangerous traffic stops are. If they are so dangerous why is it worth putting your self in such a dangerous situation for a tail light out or expired inspection sticker.



No shite. Last time I got stopped it was for a burned out headlight (in the early morning light so really didn't even need them on) and the guy acted like he was approaching Al Capone's car.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
64086 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:24 am to
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Berkeley, Calif., moved forward with a proposal Wednesday to eliminate police from conducting traffic stops and instead send unarmed civilian city workers.


Don't tell these unarmed civilian city workers that most cops are killed during traffic stops.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74690 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:26 am to
I heave an honest question for our resident OT Democrats... how in the living frick can you read stories like this and remain a Democrat? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
16694 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:27 am to
This thread sure is bringing out the bootlickers.

Speed limits are ridiculous in the first place - let drivers decide the speeds with which they are comfortable. I promise you most reasonably skilled drivers with well-maintained vehicles can safely cruise at about 110 on good interstates.
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
13214 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:28 am to
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This thread sure is bringing out the bootlickers.

Speed limits are ridiculous in the first place - let drivers decide the speeds with which they are comfortable. I promise you most reasonably skilled drivers with well-maintained vehicles can safely cruise at about 110 on good interstates.

The state of Louisiana has no “reasonably skilled drivers”.
Posted by LCA131
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Member since Feb 2008
77722 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:29 am to
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Speed limits are ridiculous in the first place -


Yeah, let folks go 55.... Through an elementary school zone. Little shits will learn to get out of the way..

You're a dumbass
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:31 am to
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This thread sure is bringing out the bootlickers.

Speed limits are ridiculous in the first place - let drivers decide the speeds with which they are comfortable. I promise you most reasonably skilled drivers with well-maintained vehicles can safely cruise at about 110 on good interstates.



It has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with being able to pull over people as they see fit.

Take New York for example, the official speed limit for most of the interstates is either 55 or 65 mph depending on which one you are on, so it is a turkey shoot when literally everyone is going 75 or 80. They were designed with 80 mph speed limits in mind. Multiple times it has been discussed to raise speed limits consistent with best engineering practices.

While DOT has been on board I will give you two guesses who stands opposed based on law enforcement and financial concerns.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 8:34 am
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:32 am to
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Yeah, let folks go 55.... Through an elementary school zone


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