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Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:29 am to Tarik One
Tell me you have pornhub premium without actually telling me you have pornhub premium
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:29 am to Jake88
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From a soft science like sociology. No thanks.
What about economics?
This Freakamonics episode is pretty enlightening and by an economist. I hope that's suitable for your academic authenticity requirements.
Here is a more "soft" reference LINK
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First, an excerpt from the 2015 book Date-onomics1 appeared on Twitter a couple of months ago, which showed that, among college-educated single adults, women far outnumber men, and at a time when unmarried Americans increasingly want to marry those who have completed at least bachelor’s degrees. This tweet produced a surprising amount of commentary, particularly about the so-called plight of single, heterosexual women facing a shortage of suitable marriage partners. Shortly on the heels of this, a fine research study in the Journal of Marriage and Family2 by Daniel Lichter, Joseph Price, and Jeffrey Swigert was released. It argued that current marriage rates are at a 150-year low partly because unmarried women face a shortage of men with what they view as acceptable income and job prospects. It sparked an explosion of interest and commentary in the media, on- and offline, that still continues as of this writing.3
Men have started marrying down. Women have remained consistent over time.
Another article
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Their findings can only be described as depressing. The available single men turned out to be less likely to have jobs than the husbands single women were presumably seeking. (Theoretical husbands had a 90 percent chance of being employed, whereas only 70 percent of available men were.) They were less likely to have a college degree. And the women appeared to be hoping for husbands with a 58 percent higher income than that of actual available men.
When the researchers analyzed the data further, matching single women's assumed desired qualities in a spouse against actual available men, they found even more disheartening news. Older women would have an especially hard time finding an acceptable mate. The same was true for minority women, especially if they were African American, and for highly educated women. And when the researchers added in geography, comparing a woman's theoretical desirable husband with the pool of available men in her region, the chances of finding a mate got even worse.
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In any case, as these statistics clearly show, if you're a woman holding out for a husband who matches your education level and earns a lot more than you do, you could wind up staying single forever. Is that a better choice than broadening your idea of what an acceptable husband is? Only you can decide.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:30 am to jclem11
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I've mostly seen this play out with professional class (doctor, lawyer, etc.) women who only want to date men that are the same or above them.
That's the real issue for a large swath of the male populations; these women are unreachable to them even if they could make a good match long term.
And those women will never truly respect a man that isn't their expectation even if they do find someone to pair with. You'll be fighting that battle the rest of your relationship. The well is poisoned and so-and-so's husband who does 'X' is oh-so-amazing isn't he? (Basically implying the gap )
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 8:31 am
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:31 am to tiggerthetooth
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The worst situations are the women who date almost primarily for looks when young and then decide to transition to status dating when older. A fully have your cake and eat it too strategy.
That all works until they hit the wall. Then they can't pull in the good looking boys. They can try to pull in the status guys but those guys aren't looking for a used up 40 yr old woman. They want a feminine late 20's woman who has never been married or had kids.
That's when things inverse. There is plenty of hooking up to do, but that leaves them empty because it's never a hookup with someone they are attracted to. Guys have plenty of hookup opportunity without having to commit to dealing with her shitte. Technology has sold women a lie and they are living it only to be soulless and empty later in life.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:31 am to AbitaFan08
quote:$1000 should fix it.
I’ll take “things that ugly guys say” for $400, Alex.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
Good lord, if y’all are pulling out scientific studies and fricking bar graphs, maybe it’s not the women that are the issue
At some point a little charm, a little social skills, and being somewhat attractive goes a long way
At some point a little charm, a little social skills, and being somewhat attractive goes a long way
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:33 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:You're talking in absolutes.
Hyper-educated women do not see men of a plumber status. They simply don't exist in their world
Currently I have a female peer who has a doctorate and is earning over 200k. She has been dating a guy who did not compete college but has a good job earning about 90k. She has been happy with him for 6 months.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:34 am to Tarik One
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This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:35 am to Jake88
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There are men with no college who are pulling in far more than those women with Masters degrees.
Irrelevant.
Most educated women would never want to take a plumber husband to their company Christmas party. I t would be a terror-inducing thought IF they even allowed the possibility to enter their brain (hint: they don't). You think they would get a lot of support on the gram with that kind of husband? Pshh
This is why marriage rates are plummeting. First, marriage is now a cultural signal of the middle-portion of the middle class and above. The lower class and lower-middle class simply aren't getting (or staying) married. Second, within that cultural population where marriage still has value, educated women massively outnumber educated men. Since each man can only marry one woman, a lot of women don't have marriage options. It's simple math (and it also explains the hookup culture b/c when men are in low supply/high demand, they don't have to invest in relationships b/c they're so valuable).
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:36 am to Tarik One
Preaching to the choir...
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:36 am to TheRouxGuru
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At some point a little charm, a little social skills, and being somewhat attractive goes a long way
Of course but have you interacted with girl boss, big city women that are doctors and lawyers you would know that the graphs are true.
Try leaving Bawcomville every once and a while.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:37 am to TheRouxGuru
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Good lord, if y’all are pulling out scientific studies and fricking bar graphs, maybe it’s not the women that are the issue
I'm not being critical of women just informing Jake88 that his beliefs are wrong. Educated women don't often marry down. If you're an educated man and single (and wanting a relationship), this is important to know.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:38 am to Jake88
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Currently I have a female peer who has a doctorate and is earning over 200k. She has been dating a guy who did not compete college but has a good job earning about 90k. She has been happy with him for 6 months.
Congrats on finding the outlier, Anecdote Andy.
That does not disprove the data on a macro level, which is what we are discussing.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:38 am to Jake88
quote:what are you even arguing? no one is saying women of higher educational or economic backgrounds NEVER date or marry "down"...they just don't do it very often and you can't really argue against taht
You're talking in absolutes.
Currently I have a female peer who has a doctorate and is earning over 200k. She has been dating a guy who did not compete college but has a good job earning about 90k. She has been happy with him for 6 months.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:38 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Not when people speak in absolutes. Not when I've seen those absolutes not follow through.
I work with many highly educated, higg income women and many have husbands less educated and with less income.
I work with many highly educated, higg income women and many have husbands less educated and with less income.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:41 am to Tarik One
So what "outlets" do you have? Strictly yanking it yourself?
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:41 am to jclem11
quote:what a loser mindset
That's the real issue for a large swath of the male populations; these women are unreachable to them even if they could make a good match long term.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:42 am to Jake88
no one is speaking in absolutes eta: unless you need a disclaimer on every post
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 8:43 am
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:42 am to Jake88
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Not when people speak in absolutes. Not when I've seen those absolutes not follow through.
How dense are you? We are discussing macro trends in this thread. How far have you buried your head in the sand?
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I work with many highly educated, higg income women and many have husbands less educated and with less income.
This is vague and anecdotal. What size city do you live in? How many women are you talking about?
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