re: Baltimore City student ranks near the top half of his class with a 0.13 GPA

Over half of the class has less than .1373 GPA. Is there a single student in this school that is passing?

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I've done it before on this board, and I will do it again. I am a big time advocate for career tech and vocational programs in public schools. It is a great option for many students, yet it gets shite on far too often. It gets funding slashed and programs cut. Yet, we constantly push kids who have no business being in them towards Advanced Diploma programs and such. It makes no sense.

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100% agree

I was talking to Cade Brumley earlier this year and brought up the idea of a program starting in 11th grade- keep some of the basic arithmetic that will help them do their jobs but expand on shop classes to a point where kids could fast tracked to a career as a HVAC tech, Electrician, Plumber, framer, carpenter, welder or construction foreman.

Trade positions will be the safest in the future. Not due to demand but the lack of being able to automate the positions.

He almost laughed at the idea. I just told him if the job is to prepare kids for the real world then this is what we should do. But keep pandering to everyone and pretending like going to community college to get a degree in business is a great idea.

Kids end up with some shite job they could have gotten out of high school make $10 / hour. Meanwhile, I’m a builder, I’m struggling to find quality trades.

Alot of people are going to make excuses for the parent because they believe the part about the mom working 3 jobs. She may work 3 jobs, but I promise it doesnt add up to more than 50 hours.

Bottomline is she said she saw he failed mutiple times and if you see your child is failing you take action. the bullshite about not knowing he was missing school......they send home a report card either every 6 weeks or 9 weeks. They email you it so the kid cant hide it. it tells you the grades and the days missed and days tardy. Every school district in the country does this.

She knew the grades, she knew he was missing and she failed as a parent, that is on her and as she needs to take responsibility for her actions and shitty parenting. But typical shitty parent, her baby didnuffin and nobody told her.

as far as the kid goes, you are told from the very start of school to pay attention, study hard if you want to be something. Its beat into every kid in every disctrict starting in 1st grade. At some point the kid has to take responsibility for his actions, especially once of high school age.

Since the start of time 14-15 was considered an adult. Hell you are charged most of the time as an adult in the justice system. Why is that we dont hold them responsible for their actions when it comes to school? At some point he knew what he was doing was not the right thing to do, he chose to play around and skip school and go when he wanted to.

Diplimas are supposed to be earned not given. The bullshite of just passing and graduating someone is the issue to begin with.

frick every one that is like this parent and hoenstly frick every one that is like this kid.

Wanna know why successful people have to pay so much in taxes? Well think back to high school, we all know the people that partied all the time, only showed up when they wanted to and eventually dropped out. Those people are who your paying for.

But Im sure its the teachers fault and like so many, this kid didnt know you had to pay attention in high school or any school. He didnt know failure meant failure and you actually had to go to school. Im sure of it.

But rejoice, another deadbeat we will be paying for, just another tit to suck off the system.

This si the perfect example of a couple of things

1) At a certain point taxation to pay for people like this to live becomes theft. End the welfare state!!!

2) This is why we should school choice. Kids like this show up when they want and as SFP would say, are class disruptors. They have zero desire to be there and zero desire to learn. They take away from the learning ability of the other kids. See "The Wire" Season 2 and see how taking the class disruptors helps the class room. I understand its a tv show, buts its very true to life. Kids and parents should have a choice to send to better schools. Its teh money for the kid, not the schools money. Schools compete and the tide rises.

3) The teachers unions need to be broken. if the senior class has over half with a gpa below 0.13, its not only a teaching and parenting problem, but also an extreme culture and environment problem in that school.

4) This is an example of how making excuses for kids and not holding them responsible for their actions, kills schools and actually fails the kid long term.

BTW all yall talking about trade school....I agree, but in this case it wouldnt matter. Yall have never been around people like this and do not understand the culture and mindset. It wouldnt have mattered if they had a full vocation program. people like this student think that kind of work is for suckers and the streets is where he belongs. Its a culture issue and a damn vocational program will not help kids like this.

Now do we need more of those programs and are your arguements correct? Absolutely, just not in the case of this kid or others like him.

What's even sadder is none of this surprises me

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100%, I'm not sure about Baltimore but most states and school districts have programs where you can dual enroll in community college classes or vocational classes for FREE if you're disadvantaged. I used to teach and my wife still does (works in special programs now). I used to refer students to the program that I thought would benefit and the student would either bitch out due the increased workload or the parents would never enroll them because they didn't want to take a couple of hours out their day to sign them up or pick them up. Screaming "muh tRaDeS" is the laziest and least accurate criticism of education and seems to be very common on here.

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No doubt. Most places have places for the students to take classes in the trades.

Do we need two distinct different pathes in HS? Absolutely. But it gets shot down everytime for type casting and anyone that brings it up is a rascists.

Inner City schools though have a culture and going to the trade school is seen antoehr way for the man to keep them down.

My question to thsoe screaming about it, the kid missed 272 days fo school plus no telling how many times he was late.....do you really beleive this would have changed had he been in a trade school?


He failed math in 9th-12th grade, are we going to get rid of math now that is used in every trade? he failed any computer classes he had, reading, grammer....pretty much every class. Is trade school going to suddenly fix that? Should trade schools not teach basics?

I get it if you think that he was being forced to take some upper level math or something but he was tasked with passing 3 maths.

Algebra 1 which is used daily in every trade
Geometry which is used daily in every trade
Financial Math- math you use daily

Are we suddenly not going to require these simply mathes in trade school even though every trade uses them?

Not liek algebra 1 is complicated, my 2nd grader does it in his math classes and my 4th grader is pretty proficient in it since they have been doing it for 3 years now. Is it too much to require a HS graduate to be able to do work a 2nd grader can do?

I love that she has placed blame on the school. The school has failed him. The school not her as a mother. He missed or was late 272 days in 3 years. Kids go to school around 180 days a year. So this kid was late or absent half the time. Yet it's the school's fault. This is a prime example why the US is in the state its in. People don't want to hold themselves up to any standard. Shoot for the stars folks because you might come up a bit short.

If only he could play football. He’d have a full ride to the power 5 school of his choice and an array of “tutors” to take his tests for him. That communication degree would be sweet.

You think someone who has a .13 GPA has what it takes to show up everyday and learn a trade?

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woman works three jobs

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Ridiculous excuse.

She, the school, AND the student share blame.