re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married

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let's not bring atheists into this discussion

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these loud mouths on both sides expect the unachievable...the women think they're a princess, and the guys think they'll be 40 yr old porshe-driving doctors. they're both dumb

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I think most guys in this thread haven't ruled out marriage or a serious relationship. The main point of the thread is that getting married young no longer makes sense for well educated men. Women are very uninteresting, have very few hobbies/passions/goals, and have super unrealistic expectations about what a man/relationship should be. All of these factors create shifty relationships/marriages, and lead to divorces where men often get taken to the shed.

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If you are a house husband who married a breadwinner, how could she possibly divorce rape you?

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she gets domiciliary status and you have to pay child support (the calculation includes her income)

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The dumb part is where men have started refusing to take other men at their word. It is incredibly disrespectful to tell another adult "You don't know what you really want. You want what I have."

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I think a lot of men that say this are still trying to convince themselves that they wanted a family.

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Today, women are allowed to say "I don't want a career, I want to raise a family instead." They can equally say, "I don't want a family or a career, I want to be a stay at home wife." They can decide not to have a family at all and instead pursue powerful and respected positions in politics or business. The world is their oyster. Whatever they want to make of their lives, we as a society have come to understand that it is rude to publicly second-guess them and tell them that they cannot mold it into whatever they wish.

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And this is why they're single.

I agree with the OP, without reading this thread.

But consider, CSN News (the source link) is pure bullshite propoganda, IMHO.

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I don't disagree with any of that. I'm just glad I didn't let that overall trend prevent me from finding a partner that isn't anything like that.

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Partner choice is important...but there is a very good chance that you are very much responsible for having the type of marriage that you do. In fact, I'd bet that a very large part of you finding the right partner was you showing her what your relationship would be like...that you would be the head of the relationship...and her acceptance of that.

I think SFP's point is pretty damn shallow because it accepts that a man in a relationship is a victim to the current "societal norm" being pushed. I can't imagine that there is anyone in a successful marriage who is as impotent as that.

The truth is that, in large part, your marriage will be as successful as you are willing to make it. It involves being sympathetic at times to your partner's needs and being willing to stand up and lead at times.

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The main point of the thread is that getting married young no longer makes sense for well educated men.

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lead to divorces where men often get taken to the shed.

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both of these are fine points, and i agree. but then you did this:

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Women are very uninteresting, have very few hobbies/passions/goals, and have super unrealistic expectations about what a man/relationship should be.

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try to see it from both angles. as more and more female attention whores are posting their bikini pics all over instagram, more and more guys are jerking off to them and expecting that level of quality for every woman. same with the internet porn they're addicted to. they're seeing a skewed percentage of attractive women that doesn't accurately represent the real world. long story short, technology and social media are polluting BOTH SIDES. it's not just one side's fault.

balance. big picture.

At LSU, every slapdick's hobbies were 1a) drinking 1b)lsu football

that's part of the urban v. rural divide. you're going to find "progressive" ideas in urban areas moreso, that creates the difference in urban v. rural (that is our biggest political divide in the US currently)

feminists can only play the "equality" card if they bring the physical attributes to more equal levels. this requires emasculated, feminine, weak, and non-aggressive males. so you go look at the current trends, and that falls in line. even physically fit men must neuter their strength if they want to fit into "modern society". if not you run the risk of finding yourself "on the wrong side of history"

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you got some guys praising the 20-45 female population about how hot they are now, and then you got this guy talking about how fat women are these days.

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That's very simple. The hot are hotter than they've ever been. The average is what is now fatter.

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you're turning into what you hate. you're both wrong, you're both cringe inducing, and both of your extreme views are misguided. have some balance and chill the frick out.

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yup