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Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:15 am to Salmon
Right, my careless mistakes are leaving the food on the counter and forgetting to put it in the fridge. Not forgetting my offspring in a baking car
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:16 am to Salmon
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some careless mistakes are just more horrific than others
Which is why we go to far more lengths to avoid not running over pedestrians than we do to not dropping things on the floor.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:17 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Looking for excuses ahead of time seems like a recipe for disaster.
Actually, assuming you are immune is what is called for in the recipe for disaster. Knowing how this could happen is exactly what everyone should be thinking about, preferably every time you take your child with you in a car. And these aren't excuses, they are causes.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:18 am to GRTiger
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Actually, assuming you are immune is what is called for in the recipe for disaster.
this this this
thinking "this could never happen to me, I'm a super parent!" is the recipe for disaster
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:18 am to Isabelle
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I really cannot understand how this happens. Could have something to do with priorities.
There have been studies on this. There is no pattern what so ever, age, race, wealth/poor, education.
Both my daughters are big enough now to open car doors (and don't ride in car seats (one in booster), but this was always my fear, as well as electric shock and choking.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:18 am to Salmon
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100% of people make careless mistakes
some careless mistakes are just more horrific than others
That's the argument though, isn't it? Just how careless are you?
Sure...we all make mistakes. the issue is, just how far up your own arse must your head be to make a mistake like this? I'm saying that AS A PARENT, I was never in a situation where this ever came close to happening. Why? Because regardless of my routine or how busy I was, I took a little bit of time to recognize that my kids were with me and that they were my priority until they were no longer with me. That simple thing made me continually look into the back seat. It focused me on their presence and did not allow me to shift off to other worries. It wasn't hard...but then I put them first.
None of that makes me perfect. It just makes me a caring, responsible parent. That's not a difficult job provided your kids come before yourself. They ought to, after all...but it's clear that they don't for many.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:19 am to Salmon
Routine not. Responsibility, yes.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:20 am to GRTiger
And I guess you only read what you want to. For myself personally, I can't see it happening. Taking care of my child is priority one, and I don't let that get lost in any of my other responsibilities. If it's just him and me, everything else revolves around him. With my wife, we tag team with someone always with the kid.
I'm sure everyone says that this could never happen to them until it actually does, so I don't want a story like this to get me on my high horse. I'm fortunate and I will work hard to continue to set myself up so that this kind of thing will never happen.
But I'm sorry, you'll never convince me that those two are the same.
I'm sure everyone says that this could never happen to them until it actually does, so I don't want a story like this to get me on my high horse. I'm fortunate and I will work hard to continue to set myself up so that this kind of thing will never happen.
But I'm sorry, you'll never convince me that those two are the same.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:21 am to Salmon
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thinking "this could never happen to me, I'm a super parent!" is the recipe for disaster
Agreed, but we also don't want anything approaching societal "excuse" for this behavior.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:23 am to Pettifogger
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we also don't want anything approaching societal "excuse" for this behavior.
no doubt
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:25 am to sicboy
It's insulting that you think your position comes from the fact that taking care of your child is priority one. I assume that's true for most people in this thread, and it certainly is for me. So maybe lose that absurd argument that we must disagree because of priorities.
What if I said the fact that the tiny potential this rare and unthinkable accident doesn't phase you in the slightest makes me think you don't care for your child?
What if I said the fact that the tiny potential this rare and unthinkable accident doesn't phase you in the slightest makes me think you don't care for your child?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:25 am to Pettifogger
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Agreed, but we also don't want anything approaching societal "excuse" for this behavior.
It's amazing, really. Here we sit in a highly developed nation, which is also the largest consumer of recreational narcotics and the most prolific jailer in the history of mankind.
In this nation we empathize with people whose poor decisions lead to infant mortality but drug addicts are locked up for years and rendered unemployable.
Accountability must be evolving as a term.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:27 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Sure...we all make mistakes. the issue is, just how far up your own arse must your head be to make a mistake like this?
Mental "walking around sense" plays in as well. I have a good friend who is briliant, makes a load of $$ but lost his car keys in his refridgerator last month.. Some people are more capable of a mistake like this than others that love their child just the same..
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:27 am to GRTiger
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Actually, assuming you are immune is what is called for in the recipe for disaster.
I wasn't immune! Jesus Tap-dancing Christ...
Preventing this was simple. It took almost no effort. It didn't require any new gadgets. It did not require any special habits like a stuffed animal in their seat.
All it took was paying attention to them. I'm not sure why that sounds like something special, but it really is not.
It's not that I was immune to this. It's that I recognize that when my children are with me, there are bad things that can happen to them if I'm not vigilant. This can be demonstrated in any number of examples where all it takes to prevent something bad happening is an ounce of prevention. I make the effort. If my making the effort makes others feel badly because they don't, then that's on them. But I'm not interested in pretending this is some plague that's liable to happen to anyone...it isn't.
In these situations, I do not feel bad for the parents...even if it was an "honest mistake." I feel badly for the child who baked, and for the future and life they will never have because their parent unfortunately placed their own schedule and/or routine ahead of making sure their child was ok.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:28 am to CBLSU316
This can happen easily with the right mix of distractions and a sleeping child.
I was out running errands one afternoon. Mind starts drifting and you forget the kid is in back. I didn't leave the car, but it shocked me enough to think for a few minutes you could slip and make a tragic error.
I was out running errands one afternoon. Mind starts drifting and you forget the kid is in back. I didn't leave the car, but it shocked me enough to think for a few minutes you could slip and make a tragic error.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:28 am to GRTiger
What I find most interesting is that people are against the idea that a kid is part of a routine but support the steps such as a car baby monitor or stuffed animal.
What do they think turning those on or relying on these as assistants are?
What do they think turning those on or relying on these as assistants are?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:29 am to GRTiger
I'm not attacking the people who this happens to. I'm just disagreeing with whoever it was that equated it to a household task.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:30 am to sicboy
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I'm not attacking the people who this happens to. I'm just disagreeing with whoever it was that equated it to a household task.
That's not what I was doing and you know it.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:30 am to Golfer
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What I find most interesting is that people are against the idea that a kid is part of a routine but support the steps such as a car baby monitor or stuffed animal. What do they think turning those on or relying on these as assistants are?
Who gives a shite if it is routine or not? The issue here is responsibility.
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