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re: As of this minute, has the US Covid response been a success from a medical standpoint?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:14 am to cas4t
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:14 am to cas4t
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There were numerous hospitals overwhelmed throughout major metropolitan areas. Makeshift morgues, physicians being asked to come out of retirement. I have personal accounts of healthcare workers who were infected due to inadequate PPE early on.
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:14 am to Cocotheape
I think this is a great answer. We passed, but we have LOTS of room for improvement.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:15 am to cas4t
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Is this the only metric you use to judge our response?
that was the metric used to justify the shutdowns and #flattenthecurve
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:16 am to brmark70816
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We are not a big nation, population wise
are you posting from Canada or something?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:16 am to Methuselah
It could have been better. Luckily this thing wasn't killing large swaths of people. Hopefully next time we'll be better prepared to nip something like this in the bud.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:17 am to brmark70816
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We are not a big nation, population wise
We're the 3rd largest country in the world
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:24 am to Oilfieldbiology
and i'm not saying we had the greatest response ever. our initial response was horrible b/c the CDC dropped the ball
the decentralized nature of our system also doesn't allow one decisive narrative (which is now a media talking point). what it does allow, however, is flexibility, which is very important since there aren't many acute areas in our incredibly large country (which the media, primarily centered in NYC, hates)
the issue is that i don't know how much differently our eventual outcome will be compared to SK, who did wonderfully early on. SK is having problems re-opening, b/c it's impossible to eliminate the virus and as soon as people can mingle, it spreads quickly. SK avoided early high rates so they may be in for a really shitty future where this drags on for 2-3 years
the decentralized nature of our system also doesn't allow one decisive narrative (which is now a media talking point). what it does allow, however, is flexibility, which is very important since there aren't many acute areas in our incredibly large country (which the media, primarily centered in NYC, hates)
the issue is that i don't know how much differently our eventual outcome will be compared to SK, who did wonderfully early on. SK is having problems re-opening, b/c it's impossible to eliminate the virus and as soon as people can mingle, it spreads quickly. SK avoided early high rates so they may be in for a really shitty future where this drags on for 2-3 years
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 9:25 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:28 am to cas4t
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overwhelmed throughout major metropolitan areas
Due to thoughtless policies and complete ignorance of established procedures in handling mass patient events.
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I have personal accounts of healthcare workers who were infected due to inadequate PPE early on.
Wrong. They had the PPE required but lacked the diligence to use it properly. Many medical professionals profess to being trained but, until recent months, were are incompetent and irresponsible in their usage as most non-medical types.
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Your outlook is simplistic, at best, and clearly uninformed. Willfully it seems.
I doubt your have the courage to admit how little you truly know when this all washes out in the years to come. Infection control studies are already in the works here but I doubt you'll read them or own up to how simple-minded you are now.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 9:29 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:01 pm to jennBN
Knock him all you want but the US has a 5.99% death rate:case ratio. The rest of the world is at 7.22%... and that's with only the phony numbers out of China.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:12 pm to Clames
What do you for a living?
I am a licensed healthcare clinical risk manager and consult for health systems and physician practices.
I am well informed on proper PPE usage and it is not up for debate that many of the health systems I work with lacked appropriate PPE.
And yes many of them were unprepared for the influx of patients and had training on the fly. Most of the issues revolves around patient handoffs/communication among departments. The idea that they didn’t understand how to use their PPE is new to me and I’d be curious what makes you believe as much. Maybe I’m misunderstanding.
And let’s be clear. I’m not blaming solely this administration. Nor am I really faulting anyone. This was an unprecedented event that we will learn from.
I am a licensed healthcare clinical risk manager and consult for health systems and physician practices.
I am well informed on proper PPE usage and it is not up for debate that many of the health systems I work with lacked appropriate PPE.
And yes many of them were unprepared for the influx of patients and had training on the fly. Most of the issues revolves around patient handoffs/communication among departments. The idea that they didn’t understand how to use their PPE is new to me and I’d be curious what makes you believe as much. Maybe I’m misunderstanding.
And let’s be clear. I’m not blaming solely this administration. Nor am I really faulting anyone. This was an unprecedented event that we will learn from.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that was the metric used to justify the shutdowns and #flattenthecurve
It certainly was not the only metric.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:23 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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Trump had the wisdom and foresight to stop flights from China before a single death occurred. I would say he did a pretty good job.
But then we wasted the month of February and he didnt capitalize on his good move of shutting down that air travel.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:43 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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The failure is the initial and continued shutdown everywhere that wasn’t a hot spot for this virus.
Do you understand why that had to happen? We didn't have tests. We didn't have a federal response re: PPE and ventilators. We were sitting ducks waiting to get ravaged. It's easy in hindsight to say, "Oh, Covid19 isn't too bad" but we didn't have that luxury when the shite was coming here.
Professionals and experts agreed that the only way to beat, or at least contain this unknown to a level our healthcare system could handle, was to lock the frick down and use the most basic antiviral known to man...physical separation.
When the federal government's message is "nothing to see here" or "one day it'll just be gone", it goes a long way in explaining why we weren't ready early on to put ourselves in a position to prevent the lockdowns we experienced.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:55 pm to Methuselah
Medical. Great.
Political leadership. Laughable
Political leadership. Laughable
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:04 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Do you understand why that had to happen? We didn't have tests. We didn't have a federal response re: PPE and ventilators. We were sitting ducks waiting to get ravaged. It's easy in hindsight to say, "Oh, Covid19 isn't too bad" but we didn't have that luxury when the shite was coming here.
Professionals and experts agreed that the only way to beat, or at least contain this unknown to a level our healthcare system could handle, was to lock the frick down and use the most basic antiviral known to man...physical separation.
When the federal government's message is "nothing to see here" or "one day it'll just be gone", it goes a long way in explaining why we weren't ready early on to put ourselves in a position to prevent the lockdowns we experienced.
Yes.
The main problem with our early response is that it instilled little confidence that we were prepared to handle it.
In retrospect you can say certain measures were overreactions. However, it was that seeming disarray from the top that fueled those overreactions.
The shutdowns probably could have been more measured to size (especially in rural areas) but at that time there was seemingly mixed messages coming daily from the CDC, Administration etc about the severity as well as high profile problems with tests/supplies.
There were always going to be, say, 20% of people saying "business as usual" and 20% saying "shut it down for a year".
However, the chaotic response -- saying one thing one day then seemingly the direct opposite the next day-- pushed many of the regular people that could have gone either way into the "better safe than sorry" camp.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:05 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
If the shutdown helped reduce the impact to something manageable, it will look like an overreaction to something manageable.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:05 pm to sanora
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Lmao no, but i imagine there's a lot of righties that refuse to accept that truth because it makes their god king look bad for dragging his feet and fricking it up
When at the very beginning lefties crucified him for blocking air travel from China as “racist and xenophobic”?
Yep, OMB!!!
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:46 pm to Methuselah
no use of antibodies. F
masks...lies and b.s. D
timeliness. D
help for small business D-
help for laid off. A-
leadership by trump D-
trump not F is SNL using his lies as comedy.
masks...lies and b.s. D
timeliness. D
help for small business D-
help for laid off. A-
leadership by trump D-
trump not F is SNL using his lies as comedy.
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