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re: As of this minute, has the US Covid response been a success from a medical standpoint?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 6:57 pm to Methuselah
Posted on 5/11/20 at 6:57 pm to Methuselah
I’m not sure what more the president could have done. Yeah, all the democrats are screeching that he didn’t respond quick enough, but that’s a bunch of crap. You don’t shut everything down on a whim and obliterate your tax revenue. My biggest complaint is how much we have to rely on foreign production. We should do what we can to produce more as a country. We won’t have to rely so heavily on others during a time of crisis, and we can bring some decent jobs back to the US.
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 7:12 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Our hospitals were never overwhelmed
Completely untrue and speaking from first hand knowledge.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 7:13 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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I agree the supply chain of essential materials was exposed. But how is that considered in the current covid response.
Because we didn’t have them readily available. Again, first hand knowledge.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 7:25 pm to Methuselah
From a practical standpoint, we have only prolonged the problem.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 7:25 pm to cas4t
Which hospitals were overwhelmed to where people were dying because they couldn’t receive care?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 7:27 pm to Methuselah
Yes, for sure New York city has inflated the numbers. But overall we have got it under control. Very impressed with how President Trump has handled this!
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 7:34 pm to Methuselah
We won’t really know for several years. Countries with high COVID death rates now may have lower rates later. Things may even out from a death perspective. Although, we may never know because each country may be measuring deaths differently.
Then you have to look at the economy and deaths from the adverse economic impact. Those will be happening later. So in a few years we have to look at the excess death rates that include both COVID deaths and deaths due to suicide, delayed medical treatment,’etc.
Only then can you even begin to judge.
Then you have to look at the economy and deaths from the adverse economic impact. Those will be happening later. So in a few years we have to look at the excess death rates that include both COVID deaths and deaths due to suicide, delayed medical treatment,’etc.
Only then can you even begin to judge.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:04 pm to ChEgrad
Get that reasoned, nuanced, intelligent approach out of here
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:08 pm to Methuselah
Completely jacked up.
Never have the healthy been quarantined. You should only quarantine the sick and susceptible. You don’t let the medical community undermine the economy.
Never have the healthy been quarantined. You should only quarantine the sick and susceptible. You don’t let the medical community undermine the economy.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:09 pm to DeltaTigerDelta
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You don’t let the medical community undermine the economy.
To their own detriment one might add. ER people are making money, but a lot of others are not, as has been pointed out as nauseam on here
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:23 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Which hospitals were overwhelmed to where people were dying because they couldn’t receive care?
Is this the only metric you use to judge our response?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 5:42 am to cas4t
Well considering that there is no cure, no clinically proven treatment, and the entire reason to justify any of the actions is to flatten the curve, yes.
If none of our hospitals were overwhelmed, everyone saying we should have done more/we aren’t doing enough are wrong because our medical system isn’t overwhelmed, people aren’t dying in the streets due to lack of covid care, and it appears we have flattened the curve.
Are there things we need to improve upon? You bet your arse. But a success isn’t perfect, or ideal, or, shite, even theoretically good. A success means you achieved the goal.
The American medical system was a success Now we will see if it continues to be since we have “voluntarily” destroyed the economy and potentially destroyed significant hospitals financially.
If none of our hospitals were overwhelmed, everyone saying we should have done more/we aren’t doing enough are wrong because our medical system isn’t overwhelmed, people aren’t dying in the streets due to lack of covid care, and it appears we have flattened the curve.
Are there things we need to improve upon? You bet your arse. But a success isn’t perfect, or ideal, or, shite, even theoretically good. A success means you achieved the goal.
The American medical system was a success Now we will see if it continues to be since we have “voluntarily” destroyed the economy and potentially destroyed significant hospitals financially.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 5:44 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:15 am to Oilfieldbiology
I don’t have the energy to argue this with you. There were numerous hospitals overwhelmed throughout major metropolitan areas. Makeshift morgues, physicians being asked to come out of retirement. I have personal accounts of healthcare workers who were infected due to inadequate PPE early on.
Your outlook is simplistic, at best, and clearly uninformed. Willfully it seems.
Your outlook is simplistic, at best, and clearly uninformed. Willfully it seems.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:16 am to Methuselah
No.
Terrible failure.
We wasted $3 Trillion on this boondoggle.
Terrible failure.
We wasted $3 Trillion on this boondoggle.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:38 am to cas4t
I agree that I am being very simplistic on the point of hospitals being overwhelmed. You say numerous hospitals in major metro areas, and all I’m asking for is what cities have seen that outside of NYC because that’s all I’m aware of. Maybe ones in southern MI? The medical community, as a whole, has done superb through this whole thing.
The administrators need to catch hell for lack of PPE as it’s the responsibility of employers to provide that. That leads to the larger debate of manufacturing things here versus overseas which I think everyone agrees needs to be changed.
If you want to point to specific, individual failures in hospitals and claim the overall response wasn’t successful, fine. That just means that I can point to specific, individual hospitals in metro areas that were not and say they were successful.
The administrators need to catch hell for lack of PPE as it’s the responsibility of employers to provide that. That leads to the larger debate of manufacturing things here versus overseas which I think everyone agrees needs to be changed.
If you want to point to specific, individual failures in hospitals and claim the overall response wasn’t successful, fine. That just means that I can point to specific, individual hospitals in metro areas that were not and say they were successful.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:45 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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S. Korea is such a poor example for the US though. A country that is effectively a small island with N. Korea on its northern border and probably 2% of our air travel capacity.
Also a homogeneous culture that severely criticizes people for being the slightest bit overweight. The average South Korean is definitely healthier than the average American.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:56 am to Methuselah
The numbers indicate we have failed horribly. We are not a big nation, population wise. We have many times more cases and deaths than any other country. They are either lying, we are exaggerating or we are doing really bad managing it..
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:56 am to Methuselah
I think the response has been a solid C+
Hospitals didn’t get overrun, clearly we have handled this better than Italy or the UK
On the other hand, we screwed up the testing early, and the PPE shortages highlights the supply chain issues noted by others here
Things that still need to be answered for:
-federal government seizing state orders of PPE is troubling, as well as the “bidding against ourselves” dynamic that reportedly was going on
-the initial press conference with the CEOs, testing at wal mart and CVS/Walgreens, the google website all seems to have come to nothing. Why?
Decisions were made in March based on the best data available, how do we do better next time? Private businesses will do this analysis, will our government?
Hospitals didn’t get overrun, clearly we have handled this better than Italy or the UK
On the other hand, we screwed up the testing early, and the PPE shortages highlights the supply chain issues noted by others here
Things that still need to be answered for:
-federal government seizing state orders of PPE is troubling, as well as the “bidding against ourselves” dynamic that reportedly was going on
-the initial press conference with the CEOs, testing at wal mart and CVS/Walgreens, the google website all seems to have come to nothing. Why?
Decisions were made in March based on the best data available, how do we do better next time? Private businesses will do this analysis, will our government?
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 8:58 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:06 am to brmark70816
What numbers indicate this?
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Because our cases per million people is lower than lots of the western world.
Our world in data link
Now our deaths per million people are higher. That’s not good, but we need to know why that is? Is it because people couldn’t get the medical attention needed or did we just have more people in the severely compromised medically pool?
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Because our cases per million people is lower than lots of the western world.
Our world in data link
Now our deaths per million people are higher. That’s not good, but we need to know why that is? Is it because people couldn’t get the medical attention needed or did we just have more people in the severely compromised medically pool?
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 9:09 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:13 am to jennBN
How were we a failure
Your dumbarse still hasnt answered that
Your dumbarse still hasnt answered that
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