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re: Arguably the greatest speech in American history was delivered 160 years ago today...
Posted on 11/19/23 at 2:54 pm to hashtag
Posted on 11/19/23 at 2:54 pm to hashtag
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now, post the quotes from Lincoln about why he suspended the Constitution and started the war. Post his quotes about black people.
Okay and then what? It still won't change that slavery was the explicit reason why the South seceded, in their own words.
You guys desperately need to take a class on argumentation, because most of the time you flail about like some retarded toddlers.
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 2:58 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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As I and many others have said before... anyone who thinks that slavery was the sole reason for the Civil War is as ignorant as those that think it had nothing to do with it whatsoever
Do you think the writers of the Articles of Secession were ignorant?
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There was roughly 40 years of buildup that led to war as it did not happen overnight and was not solely due to one issue
Which several documents pertaining to secession directly address, including the two I mentioned in my post.
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The same thing that was occurring in our society back then is happening today
God, you are so fricking stupid.
You guys seemingly want to ignore the causes of secession that the people seceding explicitly endorse. I didn't write those words, they did.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 2:58 pm to RollTide1987
quote:he literally said that whites and blacks couldn't live in unity, that whites were superior to blacks, and that whites should rule over blacks because of this. That is, if he couldn't ship them back to Africa. Those are his words. He wasn't opposed to slavery at all. He used it as a tool after his tyranny of suspending the Constitution, jailing journalist and politicians he disagrees with, with his own stated goal of the war: to keep the states under a Federal head. That was it.
Abraham Lincoln, along with a majority of Americans, were no fans of the institution of slavery
Of course, after he did all that and was solely responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead Americans, he pretended like he never said those words.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:02 pm to hashtag
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He wasn't opposed to slavery at all.
Wrong. See his speech at the Republican Convention, 1858.
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He used it as a tool after his tyranny of suspending the Constitution, jailing journalist and politicians he disagrees with, with his own stated goal of the war: to keep the states under a Federal head. That was it.
Yeah and it kicked arse.
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Of course, after he did all that and was solely responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead Americans, he pretended like he never said those words.
Robert E. Lee was responsible for the death of thousands of Americans too, yet you would suck his dick right now, ya big ol cocksucker.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:03 pm to hashtag
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He wasn't opposed to slavery at all.
I mean...he kinda was. His own speeches both before and during the Civil War, from as early as age 28, bear this out.
You can argue that the Emancipation Proclamation was not so much an anti-slavery measure but a political measure to keep Europe out of the conflict. I am quite open to that argument and believe there is a lot of truth to it. However, there is the small matter of him ramming through the Thirteenth Amendment prior to the Southern states capitulating to ensure its passage and kill slavery once and for all in the United States.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:15 pm to RollTide1987
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My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do tha. If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.
These are his words. He didn't care about slavery. He cared about not allowing states autonomy from the federal government.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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God, you are so fricking stupid.
You are the ignorant frick that refuses to read all of the history and not just run with a preformed narrative
I mean goddamned Grant had slaves in his party during the war yet people such as yourself want to spew some bs that the North was this morally superior people that was so against the institution of slavery that they had to attack
It was nothing more than virtue signaling back then as it is today
The Marxists Fascists and Nazis that control our government & media are calling other people Fascists and Nazis
It was and is about power and control
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:18 pm to hashtag
Why didn't you quote the rest, you dishonest dipshit?
Here's the entire quote:
Here's the entire quote:
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I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:20 pm to RollTide1987
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Abraham Lincoln, along with a majority of Americans, were no fans of the institution of slavery
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that" - Abe
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:21 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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You are the ignorant frick that refuses to read all of the history and not just run with a preformed narrative
Bitch, I have forgotten more than you will know about anything.
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I mean goddamned Grant had slaves in his party during the war yet people such as yourself want to spew some bs that the North was this morally superior people that was so against the institution of slavery that they had to attack
You are making up an argument that I didn't endorse.
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It was nothing more than virtue signaling back then as it is today
Oh wow, I need to make a bingo card with all phrases the chuds use over and over. Your brain is straight up rotted.
Also, in all that logorrhea, you didn't address the point directly. The language that the people who formed the CSA explicitly states their reason for breaking away. None of what you have said has countered this point at all. You've just emoted out a bunch of nonsense.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:21 pm to stout
Read the rest of the quote you stupid dipshit.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:22 pm to RollTide1987
A lot of unamerican fricks in this thread…one of the GOAT speeches from one of the GOAT presidents in American history! 
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:23 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:I mean, that's not any better. Here's another quote for you to whitewash (am I allowed to use that word?):
Why didn't you quote the rest, you dishonest dipshit?
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I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing.
Lincoln didn't personally own slaves that we know of. But, he didn't care that others did. He didn't want to correct the behavior because of any nobleness within him. But because he saw it as the quickest way to stop Southern states from leaving the Union.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:24 pm to stout
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"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that" - Abe
Once again, two things can be true at the same time:
1. Lincoln was concerned about the preservation of the Union first and foremost, and would do ANYTHING to preserve it.
2. Lincoln was not a fan of the institution of slavery.
Funnily enough, he wrote those words to Horace Greeley on August 22, 1862. He already had the first draft of his Emancipation Proclamation sitting in his desk in the White House, waiting for a Northern victory to spring it on the public.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:26 pm to crazy4lsu
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crazy4lsu
I hope we meet in the streets one day so I can personally slap the smugness out of your bitch arse.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:26 pm to hashtag
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I mean, that's not any better.
What? He made this statement one month before he issued the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation, you dumb dumb.
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But because he saw it as the quickest way to stop Southern states from leaving the Union.
A pretty kick arse reason. If only he went to town on those Confederate sympathizers, then we wouldn't have to deal with such nonsense like Confederate statues in places like West Virginia.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:26 pm to Cuz413
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I hope we meet in the streets one day so I can personally slap the smugness out of your bitch arse.
You aren't going to do anything, ya dumb old bitch.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:27 pm to RollTide1987
quote:correct. He chose what he thought was the quickest route to squash the South uprising. Not the most noble, not the most moral. The quickest.
Funnily enough, he wrote those words to Horace Greeley on August 22, 1862. He already had the first draft of his Emancipation Proclamation sitting in his desk in the White House, waiting for a Northern victory to spring it on the public
Lincoln may have very well hated slavery. But, his stated reasons for doing what he did were not because of slavery, that was just his chosen quickest avenue.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:27 pm to RollTide1987
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2. Lincoln was not a fan of the institution of slavery.
But he wasn't an abolitionist. There's a difference. Many in the North were against slavery in their states, nit because they were against slavery, they didn't want Black people in their state.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:28 pm to crazy4lsu
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You aren't going to do anything, ya dumb old bitch.
Keep assuming.
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