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re: Arguably the greatest speech in American history was delivered 160 years ago today...
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:50 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:50 pm to crazy4lsu
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You understand what you are endorsing is moral relativism, correct?
I’d love to hear you explain to me why you think that.
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Of course, you just want to excuse your forefathers by pretending that abolition was some niche movement. By the standards of their own time, they would be regarded as morally corrupt. Of course, you wouldn't know that. What you want is to conflate things for the ease of your own conscience, I guess.
I haven’t made an excuse or justification for anyone. And I’m not sure what this has to do with my conscience
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:50 pm to crazy4lsu
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Of course, you don't answer some of my own key questions, like the coward you are. Not surprising given that you support the CSA.
I support the CSA? You have issues bro. This is not the 19th century. Move on f*g.
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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My life is pretty dope, as I get to dunk on you absolutely retarded chuds all the time.
Lol.
Your life is dope because you get to spar with people on an anonymous message board.
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:57 pm to Breesus
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I’d love to hear you explain to me why you think that.
Because universal truths are either ahistorical and noncontingent or they are not universal truths. The position you are taking is what is called Metaethical Moral Relativism, which suggests the truth or falsity of moral judgements and/or their justifications is relative to the traditions, convictions, or practices of a group of people.
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I haven’t made an excuse or justification for anyone. And I’m not sure what this has to do with my conscience
What? You mentioned that modern slaves are making things that the OP uses as though that discounted the public feeling about slavery in the US at the time of the CW. Not only is that an intensely stupid rebuttal, you provide the justification later (which I knew you would, since you guys have like one argument) when you say that we shouldn't judge people by the moral standards of today. But again, by the standards of people living in America well before the CW, slavery was abhorrent. Given that, and that we now all agree that slavery is abhorrent, that should complete an conditional that I'm not sure that you have the ability to complete.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:59 pm to dsides
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I support the CSA? You have issues bro. This is not the 19th century. Move on f*g.
Bitch, don't respond to my claim about immediate post-CW violence in the South then. You fricking idiot. Learn to follow an argument.
Let me repeat. My claim, as in the words I used, made a direct reference to the time period I was referring to. You, being a massive retard, took this to mean that I was inculcating people in the modern South, which is a claim I decidedly did not make. Learn to read closer before you respond, retard.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:00 pm to dsides
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Lol.
Your life is dope because you get to spar with people on an anonymous message.
Yep. Run along my bitch.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:01 pm to RollTide1987
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the greatest speech in American history
Knute Rockne and Vince Lombardi had not been born yet, your list is suspect.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:02 pm to crazy4lsu
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Because universal truths are either ahistorical and noncontingent or they are not universal truths. The position you are taking is what is called Metaethical Moral Relativism, which suggests the truth or falsity of moral judgements and/or their justifications is relative to the traditions, convictions, or practices of a group of people.
How did you get the above from this statement?
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Attempting to use the lens of today to judge the actions of the past in a vacuum is about the stupidest exercise you can engage in
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You mentioned that modern slaves are making things that the OP uses
Correct
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as though that discounted the public feeling about slavery in the US at the time of the CW
You made this part up in your head, assigned motive to me based on your made up errant assumption, and then attacked me based on that assumed motive.
You probably need to take some deep breathes and reevaluate your mental state and daily interactions. I bet you find yourself angry a lot around people who don’t understand why you’re angry
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:04 pm to crazy4lsu
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Bitch, don't respond to my claim about immediate post-CW violence in the South then. You fricking idiot. Learn to follow an argument. Let me repeat. My claim, as in the words I used, made a direct reference to the time period I was referring to. You, being a massive retard, took this to mean that I was inculcating people in the modern South, which is a claim I decidedly did not make. Learn to read closer before you respond, retard.
You are very bad at this. It’s fun though to watch you get triggered by the 19th century.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:07 pm to Breesus
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Attempting to use the lens of today to judge the actions of the past in a vacuum is about the stupidest exercise you can engage in
You don't see how this is relativistic? Are you serious?
Answer this question. Were there people who believed slavery was an abhorrent, immoral practice in 1860?
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You made this part up in your head, assigned motive to me based on your made up errant assumption, and then attacked me based on that assumed motive.
You brought up an insane non-sequitur and then used it to try to wash away the fact that CSA fought explicitly, in their own words, to preserve the institution of slavery by suggesting we shouldn't judge them using today's moral logic. Yet you can't seem to grasp that by the moral logic then, it was found abhorrent.
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You probably need to take some deep breathes and reevaluate your mental state and daily interactions. I bet you find yourself angry a lot around people who don’t understand why you’re angry
Nah, I'm nice as hell. You are just a chud.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:07 pm to dsides
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You are very bad at this. It’s fun though to watch you get triggered by the 19th century.
Run along my bitch.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:10 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:11 pm to crazy4lsu
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Run along my bitch
Soft bigotry of low expectations playing out
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:11 pm to Klark Kent
Uh oh, the Chief Chud is here.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:12 pm to dsides
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Soft bigotry of low expectations playing out
Yeah, I guess it was too much for you to actually read what you were responding to. Poor bitch.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:12 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:no
You don't see how this is relativistic?
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Are you serious?
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Answer this question. Were there people who believed slavery was an abhorrent, immoral practice in 1860?
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You brought up an insane non-sequitur and then used it to try to wash away the fact that CSA fought explicitly, in their own words, to preserve the institution of slavery by suggesting we shouldn't judge them using today's moral logic. Yet you can't seem to grasp that by the moral logic then, it was found abhorrent.
I brought up a factual nonsequitor. You have not stopped making up all kinds of insane arguments since then. I think you might want to consider some mental health counseling and therapy.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:14 pm to crazy4lsu
chief melt and when called on his/her/it’s shite calls people mean names. pathetic. This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:15 pm to RollTide1987
Give me liberty or give me death is up there.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:15 pm to Breesus
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no
You are endorsing meta-ethical moral relativism. Universal truths have to be ahistorical. Do you understand why?
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yea
Finish the conditional then.
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I brought up a factual nonsequitor.
A non-sequitur with the intent to illustrate what point specifically?
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You have not stopped making up all kinds of insane arguments since then.
Lol.
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I think you might want to consider some mental health counseling and therapy.
I will only when there are no monuments to the Confederacy anywhere.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:16 pm to Klark Kent
Lol
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