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re: Are you thinking of leaving Louisiana for good?

Posted on 10/7/20 at 10:40 am to
Posted by SerenityNow
Chicago
Member since Feb 2008
2418 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 10:40 am to
Left last year with the possibility of returning in the future. After a year, I think we've decided we're gone for good and will be putting our place we still own up for sale.

Still have family and friends there, but a combination of factors make it difficult to imagine returning, which includes a complete lack of industry in which I work (way more job opportunities where I am now), as well as weather.

I know there's weather issues everywhere. But after living through/rebuilding post-Katrina, I swore to myself I'd never go through that again. Watching all these storms this year has had us on edge, particularly being 900 miles away and having to count on renters to watch over the home we own.

I'm also one of the odd birds that despite spending my entire life in South LA, I absolutely hated the heat. I'll gladly suffer through the bitter winters here in order to get a good four seasons and generally mild and pleasant summer.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466272 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 10:48 am to
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Why does it have to be a year?

that's based on Faucci's comments

quote:

New Orleans isn’t going to collapse within a year or two.

Nola is hurting terribly right now. "collapse" is a subjective standard, but they're in for some major shite in 2021 if things aren't opened and tourists aren't coming in. all of those airBNBs bought on credit are another issue and potential bubble

i'm not shitting on Nola. it's not Nola's fault, but this bad luck is potentially crippling long-term

quote:

Everywhere needs a rebound, not just NOLA or Louisiana.

certain areas are going to be hit harder. ones with more stable economic drivers will recover much more quickly. Nola has chosen to become a tourism-based city. those luxury industries will recover a lot more slowly, even without the bubbles around them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466272 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 10:49 am to
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My lack of job mobility, the current economic/political climate due to covid, and having a good circle of friends here make me want to stay.


you mean job mobility outside of LA?
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49479 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 10:53 am to
I still have a house there, thinking about selling everything
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36769 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 10:54 am to
quote:

don't disagree with this

it's just that i'm saying those opportunities are not common among the entire state

LC, even though the boom didn't last as long as initially projected, still has great economic opportunities in the petro industries. i think only BR has similar opportunities on the same sort of scale. that's why i haven't really been bearish on BR in this thread. state government vampirism + Exxon will keep BR alive for sure


For sure. Politics sucks in LA but many of the best places in the USA have shitty politics.

If I was to move to Houston or Dallas areas, I would be paying more in property tax than I do for private and property tax in LA. Income tax is a wash compared to overall cost of living.

If in SLC or S Laffy or Prairieville etc I can be surrounded by the same upper middle class I would be in Houston or Dallas suburbs and I don't have to deal with the traffic.

Overall less to do than those places yes, but still plenty for a family guy.

Now if you aren't in an industry that makes more in LA and don't have family holding you back....crazy not to leave.

I am very optimistic about the LC recovery. Federal dollars will have the economy roaring if they lift covid restrictions. Another hurricane could change that though.
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
27902 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 10:54 am to
Louisiana’s issues aside, I think it’s good for people to live somewhere else other than their home town/state/region, even if only for a while.

It’s by no means required to be happy in life, I just think it can open you up to new experiences, cultures, etc.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69329 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 10:55 am to
Right. I’m a fairly new attorney. To move out of state requires taking another state’s bar. I’m nowhere near prepared to take a common law bar exam. I barely passed common law property.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53103 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 10:55 am to
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XOM may be dropping in it's days as a BR economic driver.

What takes XOM's place is beyond what I can see.

XOM still employs a lot of people. Have they really changed their employment numbers?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466272 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 10:56 am to
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I am very optimistic about the LC recovery. Federal dollars will have the economy roaring if they lift covid restrictions.

yeah after initial depression over Laura (actually the depression came after my last email to you about damage when i was super happy), i convinced myself that there was going to be a lot of insurance and federal money flowing and LC wouldn't have some mass exodus of population and economy

quote:

Another hurricane could change that though.

but yeah...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466272 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 10:57 am to
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I’m a fairly new attorney. To move out of state requires taking another state’s bar. I’m nowhere near prepared to take a common law bar exam. I barely passed common law property.

barriers to entry is a better way to describe it then
Posted by remax_joe
Member since Sep 2015
353 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 11:00 am to
We've been thinking of leaving in 2021. When we look at other places like Florida, Charleston, Nashville all of them have pros and cons.

What doesn't make sense about BR is that you put up with sooooo much of the bad, but there is very little good. Weak economy, bad schools, bad politics, crappy weather, bad roads, high insurance, etc. Florida has crazy weather and is expensive in many parts (and also, New Yorkers) but IMO the positives outweigh all of those negatives.

Charleston is insane expensive and floods, but you have stronger economy, better quality of life.

Nashville has awful traffic but no floods.

What are the positives to BR? And don't say "food" or "LSU Football"
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69329 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 11:00 am to
Well...yeah
Of course barriers to entry are causing the poor job mobility, otherwise I’d be extremely mobile and able to take a job almost anywhere!

Granted, I also really like my house that I bought in BR. The renovations I have planned will make it even better. Plus, with Covid, most of the places I’d want to go aren’t much better off than we are with stupid shut downs of literally all of my hobbies.
Posted by lsuroadie
South LA
Member since Oct 2007
8454 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 11:01 am to
with all of the protests, rioting, bullshite, radical democratic governors locking down states....

i know one damn thing. that shite aint happening on my little piece of land in BFE La.

does La have its backward arse bullshite comparative to other states. of course.

but i'll take its backward arse bullshite over anywhere else this country has to offer.
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
27902 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 11:02 am to
quote:

Right. I’m a fairly new attorney. To move out of state requires taking another state’s bar. I’m nowhere near prepared to take a common law bar exam. I barely passed common law property.


Sucks to not be in a UBE state
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69329 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 11:11 am to
My family is here. I have a close circle of friends here. I have a home close enough to my work that I can go home during my lunch break. I’m not married and I can’t have kids, so I don’t have to care about the public school situation. My neighborhood is pretty decent from a crime standpoint, and I feel safe walking my dog at night and early in the mornings, and my neighborhood has some nice sidewalks. To move anywhere but Denver would require me to give up my support system (i have almost as many friends there now).

So, to be willing give up my support system, I’d have to be getting some pretty big upgrades in return like:
1. Way More money (Not difficult because I’m not making that much now, but also don’t have to work too hard for it)
2. Way better weather (would Likely require leaving the gulf South and going West)
3. Way better outdoor activities (I hate the lack of good hiking and camping options around here and would love a setting with mountains And/or beaches)

So, with these criteria, it pretty much rules out the main cities that tend to offer jobs to coonasses like myself (Houston, Dallas, Birmingham, Atlanta, and Memphis).

That basically leaves me to choose to keep living in BR with my steady job and reasonably comfortable life or spend a lot of time and money to attempt a bar exam somewhere with nicer weather in the hopes I might be able to eventually get a job offer there.

3.5 more years and I’ll at least have reciprocity in Texas so I can move there without taking their bar if I’m patient.
This post was edited on 10/7/20 at 11:15 am
Posted by StanSmith
Member since May 2018
1066 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 11:18 am to
Did it already. Go back to visit family. When my mom passes away I doubt if I go back more than once per year.
Posted by boutgrfanrx
Woodstock,GA
Member since Dec 2012
299 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 1:05 pm to
Home will always be home and there will always been things you miss but I unknowingly made the decision about 7 years ago. Always thought I would go back but I always tip the scale towards living somewhere else.
Posted by sheek
New Albany, OH
Member since Sep 2007
44131 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 1:13 pm to
I moved to Texas and didn’t look back.
Posted by RidiculousHype
The Hatch
Member since Sep 2007
10752 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 2:41 pm to
It's funny to read the exchange between SFP and CollegeFBRules because I see where both are coming from, and I go back and forth almost daily on this topic.

One day, I'll be sitting in traffic somewhere in BR with a median of overgrown 2-ft tall weeds to my left, a bunch of litter to my right, and a pothole in front of me... and I'll just think "that's it, I'm done"

A few days will go by and I'll see wildfires out west or antifa burning a building up north or some dude like me getting knocked out for no reason on a subway in NYC or Chicago, and I'll just think "Louisiana ain't so bad"

So, I see both sides. There are pockets of south BR/Ascension/Mandeville/Laffy where you and your family can avoid the worst aspects of LA as a whole. The question is, will that be possible for the next few decades?
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
10955 posts
Posted on 10/7/20 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

Louisiana’s issues aside, I think it’s good for people to live somewhere else other than their home town/state/region, even if only for a while.


Couldn’t agree more with this. You can always move back if you don’t like it
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