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re: Are some of the reports of Mexican cartels joining ISIS true?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:28 am to Napoleon
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:28 am to Napoleon
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I don't see Catholics joining a religion that is crucifying Coptics.
El Narco Catholicism probably doesn't give a shite, but I don't see them wanting to put a gigantic international bullseye on themselves and endangering profits.
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:well i did
they're reporting a quote if you have an issue with the quote, address who said it
they're also helping to spread his bs by giving him a platform
they're attempting to sell fear and get page views, no?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:31 am to Pilot Tiger
quote:
they're attempting to sell fear and get page views,
Exactly.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:31 am to Pettifogger
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El Narco Catholicism probably doesn't give a shite, but I don't see them wanting to put a gigantic international bullseye on themselves and endangering profits.
yeah if the cartels are found to aid ISIS, then we join with the mexican government and destroy the cartels
if muslims find out ISIS is joining with drug runners and completely immoral non-islamics, they'll get "true believer" attacks on their home front and will lose support in the region to other more "pure" groups
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:32 am to Darth_Vader
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He's just an ex-CIA covert operations officer.
Hey they lied to get us into one war already.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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a. if he wasn't working covert in mexico, or doing intel analysis in mexico, his opinion/statements are worthless
Do you honestly believe that a CIA operative only knows what's going on in whatever corner of the globe they are operating in?
quote:
b. he has a direct, subjective reason to create a boogeyman. he creates a narrative and gains from spreading this narrative
Gains what exactly?
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you have a HUGE presumption that his comments are objective and noble. the fact that he is appearing on tv implies they're neither
I just quoted a CIA agent. You just totally discounted everything he said as fantasy based on.... what? What qualifications do you or anyone else here for that matter have to where your opinion carries more water than his? If anyone is making "HUGE presumptions" it's you and anyone else who think they know more about what's going on in this world than a CIA guy.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:33 am to Pilot Tiger
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they're also helping to spread his bs by giving him a platform
that may deserve a response, but not a dismissal like you gave
this is a liberal trick that just further solidifies the liberal media. it's a logical fallacy that has created, basically, an industry of self perception bias. you're just promoting that propaganda
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:34 am to Spaceman Spiff
Only way the cartel would benefit is if ISIS gave them rights to the poppy fields they take over in the ME
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:36 am to Darth_Vader
quote:
Do you honestly believe that a CIA operative only knows what's going on in whatever corner of the globe they are operating in?
or things related to that region/op
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Gains what exactly?
fame, promotion, and the ability to gain financially through other media (like his, ahem, tv show)
quote:
I just quoted a CIA agent.
you quoted a television show host
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You just totally discounted everything he said as fantasy based on.... what?
the fact that his agency experience has no ties to mexico (or latin america) and that he usues tv to promote his brand
i know who mike baker is. do you?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:36 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:like when people on the poli board roll their eyes at stuff from the dailykos, huff po, nytimes, etc?
this is a liberal trick that just further solidifies the liberal media. it's a logical fallacy that has created
quote:dude I rolled my eyes at the website he linked indicating that the stuff should be taken with a grain of salt. they have an agenda
you're just promoting that propaganda
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 8:38 am
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:36 am to Spaceman Spiff
Of course. Open borders and all.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:38 am to Darth_Vader
Dude he's not still in the CIA. Former Operations Officers have good contacts, but this guy is a media hound looking to sell a media line for Fox. I just think you're putting way too much faith into it.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:40 am to Spaceman Spiff
Mexican cartels love the US. They sell us so much drugs. So much.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:42 am to Spaceman Spiff
Don't get me wrong. The cartels are primarily catholic I assume. Isis is Muslim base. Wouldn't that be conflicting?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:42 am to Spaceman Spiff
Teaming up may not be an accurate description. More like employing or contracting for trafficking services.
Seems unlikely to me. I would think cartel guys are not easy to set appointments with.
Seems unlikely to me. I would think cartel guys are not easy to set appointments with.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:43 am to Spaceman Spiff
This is a little over the top. The cartels threaten the local Mexican press to not publish the murders or hits that they carried out so there won't be any heat brought down on them by the Federalies. This would have the border locked down indefinitely thus ruining their business.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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this would make negative sense for cartels
I'm sure the cartels would be cool with Hajis rolling up to the US-Mexico border checkpoint and blowing it to smithereens.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:44 am to tigersownall
quote:it would only be conflicting if it impeded one's quest
The cartels are primarily catholic I assume. Isis is Muslim base. Wouldn't that be conflicting?
the cartels need rich, white Americans to stay rich. And they stay rich when the US economy does well. Therefore, attempts to destablize the US economy by ISIS will probably slightly piss off the cartels
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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the fact that his agency experience has no ties to mexico (or latin america) and that he usues tv to promote his brand
i know who mike baker is. do you?
I do know who he is. And unlike you and others in this thread, I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more about the world than he does or I'm smarter than he is just because of his political viewpoint. The man has an opinion and I think it should be heard.And other than conjecture and opposition to him based on politics, I've not seen anyone in here give me any reason to think they know anything more than he does.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:45 am to Spaceman Spiff
The cartels have everything to lose by doing this and little to gain. Operating with a terrorist organization in order to carry out attacks against the US opens the cartels up to being targeted by the United States as national security threats. Instead of simply battling corrupt Mexican authorities, they could see American military and intelligence operations conducted against them directly. Likewise it would stand to only further increase demand in the US to increase border security measures, complicating their very profitable narco trade.
Basically, they'd have to be idiots.
Basically, they'd have to be idiots.
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