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re: Are some of the reports of Mexican cartels joining ISIS true?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:44 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:44 am to Darth_Vader
quote:The guy you quoted has the same clearence that you and I do, he doesn't have access to any intellegence that we don't. I try to like you on this board Darth because I think you really are a nice guy but get your head out of the fricking sand for once. The cartels know that if they work with ISIS the US government will skull frick each and every one of them. Don't forget that after the first attack on American soil that comes through the border it's gonna be locked down with military hardware. They won't be able to get 5% of what they smuggle across now. I don't see how this makes sense for the cartels at all.
The CIA agent I quoted earlier gave a valid reason.
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 9:46 am
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:44 am to Spaceman Spiff
Mexicans are strong catholics. I sincerely doubt that they would join isis
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:46 am to Pilot Tiger
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1 the cartels DO NOT want the attention of the US military
2 the cartels DO NOT want the US economy to be destablized
Proof that ISIS and Cartels (even one of the smaller minor ones) are working together and we will be on Mexico harder than after the Zimmerman Note.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:46 am to Darth_Vader
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Why is it such a huge risk for the cartels?
i already explained
1. if they are lucky and aren't associated with it, the border gets shut down by our military. this will destroy their transportation avenues and curb their revenue streams immensely. at best, they realize a significant increase in costs and a severe reduction of revenue
2. if they are not lucky and the USA has intel on their involvement, we destroy the cartels and they cease to exist
quote:
It's possible that the Cartels see in ISIS a possible huge customer with deep pockets.
the US is a much bigger customer with much bigger pockets. they'd be risking ISIS money over the US market (and possibly their lives)
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:46 am to Pilot Tiger
This sounds like old people chain email to me.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:47 am to FloridaMike
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Don't forget that after the first attack on American soil that comes through the border it's gonna be locked down with military hardware. They won't be able to get 5% of what they smuggle across now. I don't see how this makes sense for the cartels at all.
Hmmm, more and more I can see why some in the country may actually WANT an ISIS/Cartel team up.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:it boggles my mind how people aren't seeing this
the US is a much bigger customer with much bigger pockets.
the cartels arent going to have the US + ISIS
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:50 am to Pilot Tiger
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there are so many reasons why this makes no sense, I dont even know where to begin
You may very well be right. But let's chew on this for a minute: First, ISIS won't announce any buildup or the like on the border. What likely will/has already happened is that they are filtering in with the illegals (a la the NVA into Hue just before Tet). Now, let's say that ISIS gives the cartels a huge sum of money for safe passage, etc. Is that possible, or not even a remote thought in a closed mind?
Now, granted, my diversion thinking may be off and I hope it is. But I see that scenario as possible. All ISIS has to do is get a number in (its not like they are going to maintain a steady stream) to do some damage. Hide in plain sight...
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:51 am to Spaceman Spiff
I think its absolutely possible that some members of ISIS or any other terrorist organization with enough money could find safe passage across the border. This does not mean that a cartel is joining or teaming up with ISIS. A smuggler that acts independent or not absolutely directed by the cartel could do it. I agree with most of the comments that it seems unlikely that a major drug supplier would want to risk the heat. That being said even if Obama had undeniable proof that terrorist were penetrating the border I dont think he would shut it down.
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 10:07 am
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:51 am to Spaceman Spiff
quote:again
Now, let's say that ISIS gives the cartels a huge sum of money for safe passage, etc. Is that possible, or not even a remote thought in a closed mind?
the cartels do NOT want the attention of the US military
the cartels DO NOT want the US economy destabilized
I will continue to use this as an answer with any and all hypotheticals you trot out
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:52 am to ThuperThumpin
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even if Obama had undeniable proof that terrorist were penetrating the border I dont think he would shut it down
This right mf*ing here...
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:53 am to ThuperThumpin
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This does not mean that a cartel is joining or teaming up with ISIS.
That's what I was asking in my earlier post that nobody answered. To this I have no answer.
But, it's no secret that OTMs cross over into the US all of the time. I'm hoping that nobody on here is thinking that doesn't happen.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:53 am to Spaceman Spiff
quote:
Now, granted, my diversion thinking may be off and I hope it is. But I see that scenario as possible. All ISIS has to do is get a number in (its not like they are going to maintain a steady stream) to do some damage. Hide in plain sight...
Well over 150 ISIS fighters are US citizens.
They could probably fly in with little problem. Most aren't even on No-fly lists or are even known "enemy combatants". Just people that are estimated to be there.
Why even go through Mexico?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:55 am to Spaceman Spiff
quote:
even if Obama had undeniable proof that terrorist were penetrating the border I dont think he would shut it down
Agree 100%
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:55 am to htownjeep
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But, it's no secret that OTMs cross over into the US all of the time. I'm hoping that nobody on here is thinking that doesn't happen.
Most OTM's are Latin American or South American, very few are Asian.
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The three countries following Mexico for the most removals are Guatemala (47,769), Honduras (37,049) and El Salvador (21,602).
Other countries on the “Top 10” list are Dominican Republic (2,462), Ecuador (1,616), Brazil (1,500), Colombia (1,429), Nicaragua (1,383) and Jamaica (1,119).
The total number of removals for fiscal year 2013 was 368,644. However, “ICE conducted a total of 368,644 removals” that year, which means the citizenship of 11,222 apprehended illegal aliens is not provided in the statistics.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:57 am to Pilot Tiger
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the cartels do NOT want the attention of the US military
the cartels DO NOT want the US economy destabilized
First, the connection would have to be known in order to attract attention. It is entirely possible that may happen, even remotely, but do we think that either cartel or ISIS would admit to such?
Second, does anyone have any figures on how much the cartels made/lost when our economy tanked a few years ago? That would be an interesting stat, given that people are stating that any attack by ISIS on US soil would result in destabalization of our economy. Did 9/11 destabalize our economy? What we would see from ISIS on our soil may be just a small series of attacks. However, it is entirely possible that enough have crossed and also recruited from within to coordinate a series of attacks. Just thoughts from a non-expert like others on here...
Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:00 am to Spaceman Spiff
quote:we would know
First, the connection would have to be known in order to attract attention.
quote:the cartels made bank during the financial crises/recession
Second, does anyone have any figures on how much the cartels made/lost when our economy tanked a few years ago?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:03 am to Napoleon
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very few are Asian.
I'm not saying they're coming in droves. But they have already crossed and have been doing it for years. It really doesn't take that many, ya know?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:04 am to Spaceman Spiff
Furthermore, for the cartels to get the "attention" of the US military, the political leaders would have to order the military's attention be focused there. That would require the political leaders in Washington to have the willingness to actually and finally secure the southern border with Mexico. That's not going to happen. The left is not going to allow one of their main political platforms to be tossed aside. If there is one thing that the political left has made patently clear over the past 40+ years, it's that to them politics trumps all , including national defense. The cartels are well aware of this and know they really have nothing to worry about from the US until at least 2016.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:04 am to FloridaMike
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The cartels know that if they work with ISIS the US government will skull frick each and every one of them. Don't forget that after the first attack on American soil that comes through the border it's gonna be locked down with military hardware
You would think huh. But if the threat exist why not lock it down before Americans are killed? You would think that with all the controversy over illegals crossing the border that the Obama administration would not want to risk the shitstorm that would occur if terrorist crossed the southern border and attacked us. I guess he does not believe its a threat or shite IDK what he is thinking
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