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re: Are people brainwashed with electric cars?
Posted on 1/12/23 at 3:48 pm to dgnx6
Posted on 1/12/23 at 3:48 pm to dgnx6
On days I take our hybrid into work, I plug in at the office. When we go to Church which is around 35 miles away, we follow that up by going to lunch and grocery shopping where we can charge the vehicle. I live out in the sticks so I don't have many options on places to charge but I would imagine folks that live in large cities would have a lot more options for charging.
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 3:53 pm to dgnx6
quote:Who said you NEVER have to charge away from home? I imagine that wasn't said at all, or had context that was talking about daily commuting.
And what's with people saying you never have to stop at a gas station with an Ev? Where the frick are you charging it if you arent at home?
quote:That I don't have to do that but for once or twice a year? That I can simply take 5 seconds to plug in my car instead of a few minutes and having to get out of my car and pay much to put gas in the vehicle?
There is a shopping center by me with some fast-food places a gas station and charging spots. How is charging it there any diff than going to a gas station other than i would be in and out quicker than you?
Posted on 1/12/23 at 4:17 pm to bleedsgarnet
Everything changes. Stop dragging your feet
Posted on 1/12/23 at 4:24 pm to bleedsgarnet
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sell me on why this makes sense.
If you don't live somewhere where it gets cold and stays cold for weeks/months and you never drive more than 100-200 miles in a single trip, you never have to stop at another gas station. Ever.
I could see them being great for older people whose entire family lives nearby or a younger family in the same situation but they also have an ICE vehicle for long trips, hauling stuff, etc.
When you break it all down I think more people are excited about what they think the technology can do than what it currently does.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 1/12/23 at 4:25 pm to TrueTiger
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It's not right now. It's 10 years from now that will be the problem.
Do you think you won't be able to buy an ICE vehicle in 10 years?
Posted on 1/12/23 at 4:37 pm to bad93ex
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Has there been any movement as far as standardizing the charging ports for electric vehicles any where in the world? I would figure that Europe would be leading on this front but I haven't heard anything.
Tesla offered to allow other EVs manufactures to use the Supercharger network, but so far they have declined (my guess is Tesla wants a lot of money for that privilege).
Really though, the problem isn’t standardization. In the US, there’s mainly only two types…J1772 and Tesla. It’s easy enough to carry an adapter in the glove box for whatever you drive.
The problem is that almost everything that’s not a Supercharger is slow (Level 2…perfect for overnight charging but useless on a road trip) or unreliable. I don’t charge away from home much but sometimes I park at one just because I happen to be out. Half the destination chargers (non-Tesla) are broken at any given time.
Range anxiety, for most people’s use cases is oversold but it’s sometimes valid, and this is the reason why. If I ever need to charge on the road, I’ll skip 10 destination chargers on my way to a Supercharger because they’re that much better.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 1/12/23 at 4:49 pm to dgnx6
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And what's with people saying you never have to stop at a gas station with an Ev? Where the frick are you charging it if you arent at home?
Unless you’re driving a couple hundred miles in a day, you don’t need to stop and charge because the car charged the night before.
Those of us who don’t stop to charge don’t typically drive long distances or if we do, we drive a different car.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 5:18 pm to bleedsgarnet
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For the year 2022 the camry in Australia was passed by tesla as the most sold car.. Tesla is 64k and the camry is 32k.. I am amazed at this. It's double the cost. I would think many people are going to regret buying ev.. sell me on why this makes sense. The list of headaches with ev seems to be a reason not to go all in..no dealerships, using your own electricity...
And now these same people are coming after your gas appliances in your home. Even your gas stoves. These people are frickin deranged
Posted on 1/12/23 at 5:25 pm to dgnx6
quote:It's pretty simple, just don't be a dumbass and forget to charge if you have to do a lot of driving the next day. And if you drive more than 200 miles in a day regularly then don't be a dumbass by buying an EV right now.
And what's with people saying you never have to stop at a gas station with an Ev? Where the frick are you charging it if you arent at home?
Posted on 1/12/23 at 5:34 pm to Powerman
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Do you think you won't be able to buy an ICE vehicle in 10 years?
Unless these laws and regulatory mandates are killed it doesn't look promising.
Maybe used ones or the few allowed to be built, which would be crazy expensive.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 5:34 pm to StupidBinder
quote:This
The problem is that almost everything that’s not a Supercharger is slow
Unless there's something I'm not aware of, a typical road trip in a non Tesla is just not feasible.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 5:37 pm to TrueTiger
quote:No it won't.quote:It's not right now. It's 10 years from now that will be the problem.
What is stopping you from purchasing the vehicle of your choice right now?
The most aggressive (nationwide) target for EV sales means more than half of all new vehicles sold with still be ICE in 2030. I will stress that this is not a mandate, but a "target", and one that I strongly doubt we will hit. It will be many, many years after that before we get close to 100% EVs, if ever.
You will be able to buy an ICE vehicle for the rest of your life, and so will your children if they want to.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 5:58 pm to shel311
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Unless there's something I'm not aware of, a typical road trip in a non Tesla is just not feasible.
I want to say I saw something about a Porsche Tycan doing a cross country a little while ago, but I’m sure they had to plan that EXTREMELY carefully and probably get a little lucky too.
I wouldn’t try it. Even in a Tesla I feel like I have to research my stops to some degree, even if it’s just to know what’s close to the Superchargers.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 6:54 pm to StupidBinder
quote:For longer trips I'm not familiar with, same. The car does all the work for you, but I always wonder if I get to a super charging station and it's just not working for whatever reason, I always try to have a backup plan whenever possible. It's never been an actual issue, hopefully never will.
wouldn’t try it. Even in a Tesla I feel like I have to research my stops to some degree, even if it’s just to know what’s close to the Superchargers
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:20 pm to StupidBinder
I suspect ICE vehicles will eventually be banned from certain locations - cities, national parks and other areas.
Due to eco-fascists....
It's not the existence of EVs that's the problem, it's the regulatory cudgel being used
Due to eco-fascists....
It's not the existence of EVs that's the problem, it's the regulatory cudgel being used
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:47 am to Korkstand
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I will stress that this is not a mandate, but a "target", and one that I strongly doubt we will hit
Thanks for letting me know that climate change is not a serious concern.
If climate change was actually a serious crisis we would be using mandates not targets.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 7:56 am to TrueTiger
quote:Cool, now that you settled that, we can get back on topic.
Thanks for letting me know that climate change is not a serious concern.
If climate change was actually a serious crisis we would be using mandates not targets.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:56 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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I could care less what people drive, but some of the reasons people list against the EV baffle me. Yes, our infrastructure as is could not support every American driving one, but I'm guessing when the gasoline car was first introduced that gas stations were not plentiful.
The infrastructure will come, and improvements to the battery life, distance, etc will come. To think that technology will not improve is just digging into an opinion and being stubborn.
Get that reasonable shite outta here, we're here for the hyperbole.
It's coming, freak out!
You are putting a lot of faith in politicians.
That is something I would not do. They can screw up and anvil.
Is our distrust in politicians/government unjustified?
You are just silly if you think so. And that is being nice. Really you would be a fricking idiot.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:42 am to StupidBinder
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Even in a Tesla I feel like I have to research my stops to some degree
Kind of but we act like we can't stop scrolling on our phones for this. For my road trip with a tesla our stops were on the GPS screen. Just clicked that spot and it told me my estimated battery at arrival. We just ate or slept at places with a destination charger. People also assume you have to top off every time you charge. For instance, if we were at lunch and charging we would just go a bit above what we needed to get to the hotel. Why keep paying for charge when it is already included in our hotel stay? A lot of the naysayers have 0 experience in any type of EV. If they tried one out for a day they would be able to have a conversation with up to date points
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:46 am to TrueTiger
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Unless these laws and regulatory mandates are killed it doesn't look promising.
Even if you live in CA you can buy a new ICE vehicle ten years from now
And the mandates won't likely hold up
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