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re: Anyone Get to Observe One of the St. George Petition Signings?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:20 pm to Rickety Cricket
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:20 pm to Rickety Cricket
quote:Part of me wants that to happen, too. I'd love it to go back on the Poli Board and say 'I told you so.'
I'm just ready for the St. Georgians to get what they're asking for. Then, when the status quo remains the same, aside from higher taxes, they will have no one else to blame.
But, IMO, it just comes with such a destructive price to the rest of the parish that I'm not willing to give up.....yet.
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Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:21 pm to Godfather1
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Just when BR is really on an upswing
Really?
I'm not sure why people are questioning this statement. I have lived here for the past decade and have seen lot more positive changes than negative. In fact, the last year has been extremely promising.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:21 pm to LSURussian
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The only proven liar in this thread is BugAC.
It's a pretty long thread with a lot of posters - not sure this is an absolute truth. You might want to leave a little wiggle room there.
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But, you're right, I don't like to be accused of lying when I know I haven't.
I didn't really comment on, nor do I give much thought to, what you like or don't like. I simply recommended that another poster not accuse you of lying.
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Do you?
Not really, but I realize that there are lots of opinions and beliefs that I can't change, so I take it in stride and don't start schoolyard fights that no one can win.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:24 pm to CarRamrod
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Baton Rouge will turn Baton Rouge back. Is it nice to take money from other people and spend it on yourselves? Thats basically what is happening.
Is that why something like 80% of the Green Light Plan money has been spent in the unincorporated area?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:26 pm to urinetrouble
quote:I'm with you on that. The IBM project alone, even ignoring the water/science research center downtown, is a game changer for BR. I'm a little concerned that IBM might reconsider, if it's not too late for them to do so, if the SG initiative looks like it might succeed. Businesses don't like uncertainty with their investments.
I'm not sure why people are questioning this statement. I have lived here for the past decade and have seen lot more positive changes than negative. In fact, the last year has been extremely promising.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:26 pm to HeadBusta4LSU
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What's funny Is all we wanted at first was our own woodlawn school district. If they would have allowed it this wouldn't have gotten this far.
Who is "they"??
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We are tired of getting fricked and our tax money being abused
In what ways do you think your tax money is abused? I live in the heart of St. George and have seen a lot of infrastructure improvements in recent years.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:29 pm to Pennymoney
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Just when BR is really on an upswing
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:34 pm to urinetrouble
quote:Good luck with that argument. Yesterday on the Poli Board there was a long thread about that topic.
Is that why something like 80% of the Green Light Plan money has been spent in the unincorporated area?
Their argument was:
1) most of the growth in EBR is in the unincorporated area so that is where the infrastructure improvements should be happening. (They conveniently ignored they just contradicted their claim that the unincorporated areas are always ignored when it comes to spending tax dollars.),
and,
2) There are almost as many GL projects listed which are inside the city than there are outside the city. They ignore that adding a turning lane on Government St at one intersection downtown cost a few thousand dollars compared to the $20,000,000 spent on four laning O'neil Lane. It's only the # of projects that count, not the amount of money.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:42 pm to LSURussian
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1) most of the growth in EBR is in the unincorporated area so that is where the infrastructure improvements should be happening. (They conveniently ignored they just contradicted their claim that the unincorporated areas are always ignored when it comes to spending tax dollars.),
and,
Yea, you can't have it both ways. Not to mention, the infrastructure costs associated with growth in the unincorporated areas are a lot more than they would be if that growth occurred closer to the city-center.
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2) There are almost as many GL projects listed which are inside the city than there are outside the city. They ignore that adding a turning lane on Government St at one intersection downtown cost a few thousand dollars compared to the $20,000,000 spent on four laning O'neil Lane. It's only the # of projects that count, not the amount of money.
Well, that's just stupid. This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:44 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
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I'm with you on that. The IBM project alone, even ignoring the water/science research center downtown, is a game changer for BR. I'm a little concerned that IBM might reconsider, if it's not too late for them to do so, if the SG initiative looks like it might succeed. Businesses don't like uncertainty with their investments.
Why are you worried? What makes their investment uncertain?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:45 pm to LSURussian
Russian,
I'm cool with you're reasons for being against St. George, but I have a hard time understanding why anyone would oppose this going to a vote. Isn't a vote the best way to handle the issue, especially if all of the facts both for and against SG would come to light?
I'm cool with you're reasons for being against St. George, but I have a hard time understanding why anyone would oppose this going to a vote. Isn't a vote the best way to handle the issue, especially if all of the facts both for and against SG would come to light?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:47 pm to slackster
The petition drive is the de facto vote IMO.
I think if they get their signatures, they get their city.
I think if they get their signatures, they get their city.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:48 pm to LSURussian
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The only proven liar in this thread is BugAC.
There's that infant side coming out.
I called your post, and instead you just call me a liar. Well done junior.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:00 pm to slackster
quote:I don't have a problem with it going to a vote. I have a problem with it going to a vote while the organizers lie to the voters about the taxes needed to run the new city and the new school system.
but I have a hard time understanding why anyone would oppose this going to a vote.
If I ever see or read where the organizers state "Based on what happened when Central incorporated and what happened with the school taxes when both Central and Zachary established their own school districts, we believe we will have to ask for higher property taxes to achieve our high expectations for our city and school building program and other school improvements. It will be worth the higher taxes and we will account for every penny we raise and spend" you won't see me criticize the organizers again.
And if they do that, the voters will be voting based on facts not lies.
Fair enough?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:05 pm to LeonPhelps
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All a city government needs is a police force, a court system, a fire department, a public education system, a few attorneys on payroll, a few people in tax, and a few people in the mayor's office.
I don't fancy myself a liberal, but I do think there is a role for government to enhance general quality of life. For example, infrastructure. DPW is a necessity IMO to advance beyond the third world.
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Everything else is privatized (BREC, CATS, libraries, and any other crap we have) and every single employee not mentioned above is laid off permanently.
I don't agree that parks and library's are "Crap." I was against the one downtown bc it didn't make sense, but again, IMO parks and libraries enhance quality of life and make a place livable. Access to books and information IMO is important. Playgrounds for kids and areas to exercise are helpful. Can they be abused? Sure. But I don't want to live in a world you imagine.
For example, opposition to taxes for things like sewer service in places like Ascension and Calcasieu blow my mind. People really don't want a sewer line in 2014?
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:07 pm to BugAC
quote:What does that mean?
I called your post
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you just call me a liar
I called you a liar because you lied about what I've posted. If you stop lying and admit you lied, I'll stop calling you a liar.
Once again, link to my post which says what you claimed I said: "SG area can not manage a city because it doesn't contribute enough money."
If you can't do it, you're a liar. Period.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:10 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
I understand the frustration the St. George people are feeling. I'm just not comfortable with resegregation.
Did they have to choose the WASPiest name possible?
Did they have to choose the WASPiest name possible?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:12 pm to urinetrouble
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Is that why something like 80% of the Green Light Plan money has been spent in the unincorporated area?
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this funding come from the federal government .
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:17 pm to HeadBusta4LSU
I'm pretty sure it comes entirely from the parish sales tax.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:19 pm to LSURussian
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And if they do that, the voters will be voting based on facts not lies.
Fair enough?
There has not been an election decided that was based on the truth in this state or nation in my lifetime, maybe never.
Do you accept "it will be worth the higher taxes" as a fact? Do you accept "we will account for every penny we raise and spend" as a fact?
Are there any "inconvenient truths" about the future of the SG area under the current plan of government that you believe SG opponents should clearly state in an election forum? Or are the supporters the only ones who need to come clean?
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