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re: Anyone else think that Louisiana has way too many public universities?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:13 pm to Parmen
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:13 pm to Parmen
I agree to a certain degree.
Louisiana should consolidate schools, but create satellite campuses of one or two central universities.
Other states that seem to have fewer universities actually have more than Louisiana through satellite campuses so administrators and divisions could be run by one set of administrators instead of multiple presidents and chancellors. (We have too much administrative fat that could be cut, such as why does each school need its own police force.)
The funny thing is that most schools in Louisiana actually make money through tuition. I know they cry about state funding shrinking, but the tuition increases have made up most of that revenue.
I can recall when I was enrolled tuition was some where in the neighborhood of 1,700 per semester during the Foster years where universities had heavy state funding. Now that tuition amount has nearly tripled, and the state direct funding has shrunk to barely blip on their budget.
The schools argument, which I can’t understand, is that the universities are getting cut. But from what see in their budgets is that they still are getting a comparable amount of state funding through TOPS program instead of direct payments.
Louisiana should consolidate schools, but create satellite campuses of one or two central universities.
Other states that seem to have fewer universities actually have more than Louisiana through satellite campuses so administrators and divisions could be run by one set of administrators instead of multiple presidents and chancellors. (We have too much administrative fat that could be cut, such as why does each school need its own police force.)
The funny thing is that most schools in Louisiana actually make money through tuition. I know they cry about state funding shrinking, but the tuition increases have made up most of that revenue.
I can recall when I was enrolled tuition was some where in the neighborhood of 1,700 per semester during the Foster years where universities had heavy state funding. Now that tuition amount has nearly tripled, and the state direct funding has shrunk to barely blip on their budget.
The schools argument, which I can’t understand, is that the universities are getting cut. But from what see in their budgets is that they still are getting a comparable amount of state funding through TOPS program instead of direct payments.
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:15 pm to Parmen
Who would you cut? Nichol state?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:16 pm to Tarps99
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The funny thing is that most schools in Louisiana actually make money through tuition. I know they cry about state funding shrinking, but the tuition increases have made up most of that revenue.
Considering most in-state tuition is paid by TOPS, the money is still coming from the state, albeit a different pot. They're just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic, robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:16 pm to White Roach
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You've got your "the only public Pharmacy School in the state" niche.
Pharmacy and the best aconstruction Management program in the state that was also the first accredited Construction program in the country. The private funds that the current construction management program sits on will not allow the program to close, much less the university.
As a previous member of the Industry Advisory Council at the ULM Construction Management program, I am not against the idea of merging ULM and LA Tech. The thought of eliminating ULM in its entirety is preposterous and will never happen did to Pharmacy and Cons Mgmt.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:17 pm to White Roach
quote:so it'll be the largest JUCO
I believe SLU is the 3rd largest public university in the state
Why is there a 4 yr univ 40 miles from LSU in the 1st place?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:18 pm to kingbob
quote:NO should have a public univ -- I would keep it before ULL
UNO
quote:SW LA should have a public univ (and no I don't consider Laffy SW LA. If they really think they're in SW LA they can change their name back)
McNeese
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:22 pm to Kafka
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so it'll be the largest JUCO
Why is there a 4 yr univ 40 miles from LSU in the 1st place?
You forget Southern haha.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:22 pm to Parmen
AZ has 2.5 million more people and only three 4 year state schools.
LSU could have a much bigger enrollment (like ASU) if you got rid of some of the other smaller state schools.
LSU could have a much bigger enrollment (like ASU) if you got rid of some of the other smaller state schools.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:25 pm to Parmen
quote:
Anyone else think that Louisiana has way too many public universities?
yes.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:26 pm to azcatiger
quote:what % of their population is in the PHX and Tuscon metros?
AZ has 2.5 million more people and only three 4 year state schools
quote:well that would be great for BR, and I guess that's what matters
LSU could have a much bigger enrollment (like ASU) if you got rid of some of the other smaller state schools
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:31 pm to Parmen
Absolutely
Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:19 pm to kingbob
Nsu has slowly developed into a pretty massive campus. 2 year doesn't make sense. Possibly move UNO to thib and merge the two.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:57 pm to Kafka
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Your plan would leave no public university between Lafayette and Ruston
Yes
Posted on 2/13/18 at 1:21 am to Kafka
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Why is there a 4 yr univ 40 miles from LSU in the 1st place?
Why is SUNO 400 yards from UNO?
Which they couldn't manage to merge after Katrina, so I don't expect they'll ever merge.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 4:30 am to Vacherie Saint
The other problem is that Louisiana has so much invested in real estate at all these institutions. It would be a waste to shutter all these buildings. Also, some these buildings were paid or improved through private donations. Nicholls just had one building redone with a million dollar donation while the state kicked in the rest.
That is why it would make sense to me to start merging institutions but not close the entire campus.
Campuses would be smaller administratively but would still be able to offer the same services.
The only hang up with this plan is sports teams. Even as small as some of these schools are, athletics contributes to the university in financial support mainly due to football and basketball.
For example, USM has a campus in Long Beach near Gulfport while its main campus is in Hattiesburg. Both sites offer 4 year and graduate degrees, but the Long Beach campus from what I can tell has no separate athletic teams.
I know we dog Mississippi enough here but at least they could have something right here, but their community college system may be a bit too big in my opinion especially since some of those schools have athletic teams.
I have heard a lot of high school prospects signing with some unknown college, but only to find out it is some Mississippi community college.
That is why it would make sense to me to start merging institutions but not close the entire campus.
Campuses would be smaller administratively but would still be able to offer the same services.
The only hang up with this plan is sports teams. Even as small as some of these schools are, athletics contributes to the university in financial support mainly due to football and basketball.
For example, USM has a campus in Long Beach near Gulfport while its main campus is in Hattiesburg. Both sites offer 4 year and graduate degrees, but the Long Beach campus from what I can tell has no separate athletic teams.
I know we dog Mississippi enough here but at least they could have something right here, but their community college system may be a bit too big in my opinion especially since some of those schools have athletic teams.
I have heard a lot of high school prospects signing with some unknown college, but only to find out it is some Mississippi community college.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:33 am to Parmen
Yes.
If I was in charge for a day I would shut down the Southern University System, Grambling, and just for fun - ULL.
Is McNeese a state funded school? Get rid of it.
If I was in charge for a day I would shut down the Southern University System, Grambling, and just for fun - ULL.
Is McNeese a state funded school? Get rid of it.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 7:28 am to EST
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If I was in charge for a day I would shut down the Southern University System, Grambling, and just for fun - ULL.
I’d leave one HBCU open, probably Southern in BR but close the rest. Close ULL down. Lafayette, from my what my wife says, is gonna pretty much collapse without oil and gas anyway. Fourth biggest city in Louisiana seems to be incapable of finding other industries to keep it afloat
Posted on 2/13/18 at 7:34 am to Parmen
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Want to increase the value of a college degree? Stop making it so easy to get into college.
Even if the schools all had LSU admission standards, it boils down to the majors' students chose vs the job market of the state.
Some majors are simply less marketable anywhere. Others are good, but LA lacks an infrastructure to support a large white collar workforce.
Fact is the state is blue collar dominant.
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Want to cut costs for higher education? Start closing some of these schools.
I agree but this is nuanced. Shutting a school down saves
$ short term, but how long before its reallocated to going toward some pet project that maybe 5% of the population will use.
And as I always say, you need strategic cuts. Funnel the money into our trade schools. Keep 1 public HBCU open (every other SEC state does this, its just more politically tolerable and is still cheaper than 4 colleges)
Note that some schools that have " 1 or 2 good programs" need to have the staff relocated to another college. A few programs isn't enough to justify an entire university.
This post was edited on 1/26/19 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 2/13/18 at 7:39 am to Mufassa
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LSU, UL, and La Tech. Torch the rest.
Which UL? All of them?
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:03 am to Kafka
Phoenix and Tucson is probably 75% of the states population.
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