re: anyone done the auditing process that scientology is based on?

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True, but so is all religion ."


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Let me guess, your religion is the one that's not a scam.


That's something you and scientologists would have in common.

I'd be afraid of getting the same score as L Ron Hubbard, then having Tom Cruise hide in my closet.

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I absolutely would. As bill said, it is a cult, exactly like every other cult. It would quickly and easily demonstrate to me that the individual is weak and mentally soft, and honestly, not very intelligent.

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I think you missed the point, or the point missed you.. the point was that Cruise was like a 58 year old guy looking 20 years younger, doing stunts that would challenge any talented 30 year old stunt performer .. and making it look easy.. the podcast guy was joking about $cientology actually working, and i was just saying i wouldnt ascribe any of those impressive movie feats to $cientology .

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I would think the same of anyone that considered Christianity a "cult " as well, as the two bear no comparison at all.

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We will have to disagree that Christianity is any less fraudulent than $cientology or Maga or any other wierd, brainwashing cult…. As a guy myself who grew up catholic, i had more than one friend as a kid who was brutally raped, literally buttfricked, by one particular priest in the 1990s.. that’s a true story, i was lucky to escape unscathed .

The Catholic Church isnt just infested with a few bad apples, it’s a breeding ground for pedophiles and deviants ..it’s a big part of the culture .

had more than one friend as a kid who was brutally raped, literally buttfricked, by one particular priest in the 1990s.. that’s a true story, i was lucky to escape unscathed .

Hope some of them paid that priest a visit when they got older and put him in a wheelchair.

Sounds like your issue isn't with Christianity itself, but the catholic church. One is a subset of the other.

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Sounds like your issue isn't with Christianity itself, but the catholic church. One is a subset of the other.

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Pretty much .


Catholicism is the only one i have any real life experience with, and it’s the one that was- from what i can see and others ive known- far more of a net negative than a positive in the life of it’s followers- especially the ones who were scarred for life as innocent little boys .

You know what, i really dont have much inclination toward religion in general- but if i were to ‘give Christianity another chance’ as it were- id probably look at the Episcopal church.. they actually allow women to be priests, and they allow priests to have families.. unlike Catholicism, which requires priests to be ‘married to god’ or something… if your organization requires celibacy, imo you are just begging for deviants and pedophiles and other assorted degenerates to join your church, since it just aint natural .

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anyone done the auditing process that scientology is based on?
Is this a real thing that can help people?
Is this something that can be done outside of the prison of scientology?

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TLDR: Scientology is a synthesis of some legitimate techniques from psychoanalysis (especially Freud-- who he gives credit to at times), from eastern religions, but also from occult sources and who knows what else. So, yes, technically, some people might benefit in solving particular problems when they engage in any technique that forces them to articulate and confront that problem in new terms. But since scientology is a synthesis of techniques from various psychological, spiritual, and philosophical systems, engaging in similar techniques is absolutely "something that can be done outside... scientology." From the little bit I've heard, I think the organization is problematic and gives off bad vibes.

I would avoid it.

If the TLDR version isn't enough and you need more context, then it's helpful to know that there are significant occult roots behind it. L Ron Hubbard was mostly known as a sci-fi writer before creating/founding Dianetics and Scientology. Then he became good friends with Jack Parsons, who was perhaps best known as a rocket scientist, but who also was a Thelemite (practitioner of the magick based religion founded by Aleister Crowley). Thelema itself is a bit of a synthesis of spiritual systems... largely an offshoot of the Golden Dawn occult order (itself a synthesis of ideas), further combined with yoga and other eastern practices and whatever else Crowley fused into it. There are some smart people who think Crowley was somewhat misunderstood, wasn't evil, and was something of a genius who created an intelligent system... Then again, after purposefully performing a ritual to channel demons into himself, his life sort of fell apart and he spent his last decades broke, in poor health, and addicted to drugs. So, there's that. Amusingly to me (since Crowley was a synthesizer of ideas), when Parsons relayed the plans for either Dianetics and/or Scientology to Crowley, Crowley had his doubts about it... not sure what that means, but amusing nevertheless. In any case, Hubbard was absolutely inspired / influenced by Crowley and recommended some of his content to followers.

I've never engaged with Scientology in any way myself. I have heard part of their process (perhaps part of the auditing process you mention?) is rather akin to attending confession at a Catholic church: You go in and admit all of your sins at some interval. Allegedly, they record it, which might subject you to blackmail at some point if you get out of line in some way. I don't know if this is true, but it does make sense in the context of some people allegedly feeling trapped by it.

Without getting into the validity of this religion vs that, again, I would avoid it.

Much of self-help can seem shallow in a way that makes it easy to make fun of... like silly, weak people repeating tepid affirmations. But wanting to improve your life is a valid desire.

My advice:
- If you want control over how you use time, try something secular like James Clear's Atomic Habits.
james clear website

- If you're not in good shape or healthy, start with exercise and diet... see the health & fitness board here for advice. When health and energy become optimized, it becomes easier to make other changes in your life.

- If your issues are more emotional and/or spiritual, start with cutting habits like news, porn, etc. Add habits like meditation, volunteer work, do something with art or music, read bits of the bible everyday, or at least the Stoics or similar, or anything else that grounds you to here and now. If you go to church and don't feel in touch with the community, see if there are some groups within it to help; if not, try other churches.

If you really don't mind spending money and want someone to help you personally, before pissing that money away to Scientology, I'd look for other means... some sort of coaching / mentor groups you have to be accountable to or even a counselor / therapist.

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give them all your money

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And secrets.

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SCIENTOLOGY IS A COMPLETE SCAM True, but so is all religion ."

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You have a good point.