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re: Anti-Catholic books being sent Unsolicited in the Bible Belt
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:59 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:59 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Seventh Day Adventists hold the pope as some kind of false leader, but they view some chick Ellen White as a prophet.
They make Little Debbies and don’t eat shrimp and crawfish. They are also responsible for the Branch Davidians.
Desmond Doss was an interesting guy though. And they are pretty good as neighbors.
This post was edited on 2/3/26 at 11:00 pm
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Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:08 pm to Smeg
quote:My brother in Christ, you need to stop making statements about the Catholic Church. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. The pope is no infallible. He’s a human like you or me. That’s been the stance of the Roman Catholic Church for more than 2000 years.
No? What separates Catholicism from the other sub divisions of Christianity, other than the belief that the pope is infallible?
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:14 pm to SallysHuman
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... some of that synopsis isn't exactly incorrect.
State your case.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:21 pm to nealnan8
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Their own country - The Vatican
Thanks to Mussolini
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:31 pm to Jake88
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I can provide prompt succor
A/S/L
This post was edited on 2/3/26 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:33 pm to Jack Ruby
Well. The description in your quote seems mostly accurate until you get to the predictions.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 3:17 am to Jack Ruby
Seems like a waste of money to me these people already hate catholic people so they are sort of preaching to the choir.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 5:21 am to mytigger
quote:Interesting that the only two times are about Mary. I'll never understand the obsession some Catholics have with Mary
No,it just means there’s a very high bar for the pope speaking infallibly. There’s a criteria that must be met, and in the 2000 years of the Catholic Church it’s happened only twice.
The Immaculate Conception of Mary, and;
The Assumption of Mary
That’s it, that’s the list.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 5:53 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Seventh Day Adventists hold the pope as some kind of false leader, but they view some chick Ellen White as a prophet.
The biggest irony to me however is watching two religions trying to justify themselves to God by the law and works rather than faith in Christ alone, as per the Gospel. Whether you’re front dooring your works or back dooring them as conditional for salvation rather than believing upon the finished work of Jesus alone, it’s misplaced faith to put it mildly.
This world is in no short supply of religions trying to ascend to God rather than believing upon what He did for them on their behalf alone, and none of them have any assurance of their own salvation because they don’t really believe the word of God, or it would be settled.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 6:09 am to Smeg
The Eucharist, for starters. A lot of Protestants see the bread and wine as symbolic. Catholics see it as the body and blood of Christ.
If your worship service does not lead to communion with Christ, then what's the point? Going to a glorified TED talk?
If your worship service does not lead to communion with Christ, then what's the point? Going to a glorified TED talk?
Posted on 2/4/26 at 6:12 am to Pelican fan99
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Interesting that the only two times are about Mary. I'll never understand the obsession some Catholics have with Mary
It wasn’t just Catholics. Starting in the Old Testament with Bathsheba sitting at Solomon’s right hand, we are told about the mothers of nearly all of the kings of Judah and none of the kings of Israel. The mother was the queen of Judah. Jesus is, God and the son of David, making Mary queen based on scripture.
She was central to early Christian proclamation. We know this by the writings of a pagan, Celsus, In the second century, who wrote about Mary. He ridicules the idea that Jesus is divine by the fact he was born to a poor and obscure Jewish woman who was an outcast. If Mary wasn’t central to early Christian proclamation, why would Celsus even have brought her into the conversation? Because she is central to the Davidic line.
If we know the mother of the king is the queen in the Davidic line and if we believe Jesus is the link between the Davidic lineage and God’s divine council… what would that make Mary? Queen of Heaven.
Obviously there are countering opinions, but this idea that Catholics just randomly started venerating Mary with no historical basis just isn’t true. This goes back to the Church Fathers.
ETA: It is also worth noting that Martin Luther believed in both The Assumption and The Immaculate Conception.
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 6:15 am
Posted on 2/4/26 at 6:20 am to magildachunks
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Well... some of that synopsis isn't exactly incorrect.
State your case.
I would say that,
1) Errors: the indulgences thing.
2) Persecution: see 16-17th centuries
3) Changing God's Law with regard to Sabbath: there really is no Biblical basis for changing the Sabbath.
I haven't read the book referenced, just commenting on the synopsis. Didn’t say the synopsis was absolutely factual, just that some parts aren't exactly incorrect.
I copied the synopsis below for reference.
The book portrays the Catholic Church (particularly its historical papal system) as having introduced serious errors into Christianity starting from the time of Constantine, corrupting biblical truths during the Middle Ages, and being responsible for widespread persecution of those who held to "pure" faith (e.g., Waldensians, Reformers). It identifies the papacy with prophetic symbols like the "beast" in Revelation, accuses it of changing God's law (especially regarding the Sabbath to Sunday), and warns that in the end times, the papacy will regain global influence, ally with apostate Protestantism and civil powers (especially in the U.S.), enforce a Sunday law as the "mark of the beast," and persecute faithful Sabbath-keepers.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 6:57 am to Mike da Tigah
Religion didn’t kill Jesus. Jesus willingly chose death to defeat death and conquer sin. “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord.” (John 10:18)
If you trust Jesus, then you should do what he commands and teaches. That includes being an active member of The only church He founded (the one holy and apostolic church), receiving the sacraments He instituted, beholding our Mother, Mary (John 19:26-27), and believing in the impossibly hard teachings (he almost always includes the words “Amen Amen say to you” just to emphasize he knows exactly what He’s saying and you heard Him right.
Seriously, if you trust Jesus then you have to have more than just trust in Him for salvation:
John 3:5
Unless one is born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
John 5:24
Whoever hears my word and believes… has eternal life and will not come to condemnation.
John 6:53
Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
John 8:58
Before Abraham came to be, I AM.
John 13:20
Whoever receives the one I send receives me.
If you trust Jesus, then you should do what he commands and teaches. That includes being an active member of The only church He founded (the one holy and apostolic church), receiving the sacraments He instituted, beholding our Mother, Mary (John 19:26-27), and believing in the impossibly hard teachings (he almost always includes the words “Amen Amen say to you” just to emphasize he knows exactly what He’s saying and you heard Him right.
Seriously, if you trust Jesus then you have to have more than just trust in Him for salvation:
John 3:5
Unless one is born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
John 5:24
Whoever hears my word and believes… has eternal life and will not come to condemnation.
John 6:53
Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
John 8:58
Before Abraham came to be, I AM.
John 13:20
Whoever receives the one I send receives me.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 7:27 am to Smeg
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I mean, if you ever think to yourself: "the pope is wrong on this one" then you're probably not a Catholic, technically?
Absolutely not true. The pope can be wrong on many things. Now, if you’re talking about the two times a pope has spoken ex-cathedra then he’s right.
Most of the time the pope speaks he’s expressing his view on an issue. There have been many times where I and other Catholics have disagreed with something a pope has said - that doesn’t make us not Catholic.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 7:30 am to Kafka
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I specifically told them not to send these out yet
Oops...My Bad...
Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:05 am to SJB901Tiger
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Religion didn’t kill Jesus. Jesus willingly chose death to defeat death and conquer sin. “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord.” (John 10:18)
Clearly, and this has been the plan since the garden for Jesus to lay down His life for the sins of mankind, but it is also true that it was the hand of religion that was used to bring that about. The point being that the most scholarly and religiously educated in history, the Pharisees, were completely blind to who Jesus is, and preferred their own self righteousness to the righteousness found in Jesus alone, and nothing has changed with religion. It focuses on what you have to do, keeping man on the treadmill, whilst the entirety of scriptures is focused on God and His finished works FOR mankind.
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If you trust Jesus, then you should do what he commands and teaches. That includes being an active member of The only church He founded (the one holy and apostolic church), receiving the sacraments He instituted, beholding our Mother, Mary (John 19:26-27), and believing in the impossibly hard teachings (he almost always includes the words “Amen Amen say to you” just to emphasize he knows exactly what He’s saying and you heard Him right.
Jesus did NOT found the Roman church. Constantine did. Jesus is the head of His own church, and He did not put it in the hands of Peter, but He founded upon the foundation Peter uttered to Jesus that Jesus is God. That is the truth of what His church is founded upon. It’s certainly not an unreliable sinner who was relying solely upon Jesus for His salvation, one that was only verses later rebuked by Jesus, or subsequently rebuked by Paul as well for laying works upon Greeks.
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John 3:5 Unless one is born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Yes, and in John 3:6 He shows that being born of flesh is what he meant by being born of water, and being born of the Spirit is referencing John 3:3 whe He told Nicodemus that He must be born again. John 3:16 is the key to being born again. It’s the believing upon Jesus alone as your savior that the free gift of salvation is given to you.
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Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. John 8:58
That’s John 6:53-58, and it is not literal. We don’t sacrifice Jesus over and over again and literally eat His body and drink His blood He is referring to our faith in Him alone, being in Him and He in us, even as He and the Father are one. When He died on the cross we too died, and when He rose, our spirit man rose with Him, and now we are not two, but one. We have a different heart, desires, and place with God as Jesus is in us and we in Jesus. We are seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, and yet still bodily here of course.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:21 am to Jack Ruby
<- Catholic Here (a shitty one) , not an apologist ,
We are all equal at the foot of the cross . It frustrates me that we Christians can’t worship Jesus together .
We are all equal at the foot of the cross . It frustrates me that we Christians can’t worship Jesus together .
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:27 am to Smeg
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I don't know anyone who unconditionally believes the Pope has been infallible.
They get around that by claiming the pope is only infallible when certain conditions are met.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:30 am to EastWestConnection
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the protestant reformation was an absolute catastrophe for mankind.
Without it, the United States might not exist today. Certainly not in the form that it exists today.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:30 am to TulsaSooner78
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They get around that by claiming the pope is only infallible when certain conditions are met.
Whilst not acting ex cathedra from what I’ve been told.
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