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re: Anthropologists, at what point do you believe we became sentient?

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Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:49 am to
We have a conscience because God exists. End of discussion.

Evolution doesn't develop morality. If Darwinian theory be true, we're no more special than fish or kangaroos, and our moral structure is a hindrance to the strong not an advantage.
Posted by Sidicous
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:53 am to
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Yes i do, they will eat their own and each other’s poo to cover their tracks. Or use it as marks of teritorry. But I edited my first post to be more representative of my perspective. I think that similar concept applies to humans, just more slightly more complex in our own perspective .
Haven't been to San Fransisco lately have ya? Humans still flinging poo and shitting wherever they are when the moment hits them.

Sentient? Maybe, maybe not.

Poors in every major city marking their territory with spray paint and the blood of anyone not of their wolf pack.

Sentient? Maybe, probably not.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:59 am to
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We have a conscience because God exists. End of discussion.



I'm sure that's what you want
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 10:03 am to
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Evolution doesn't develop morality.


of course it does

our morality has evolved within our own lifetimes

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and our moral structure is a hindrance to the strong not an advantage.


our moral structure is that we realized we are stronger as a community than individuals

This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 10:04 am
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 10:07 am to
Do you have any physical evidence of this theory?
Posted by Celery
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 10:45 am to
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Evolution doesn't develop morality


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God exists


God and evolution can coexist.

Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:14 am to
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We have a conscience because God exists. End of discussion.
immediately continues discussion...
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Evolution doesn't develop morality.
Says... you? My own set of morals has developed just over my lifetime. There are just a few foundational morals that seem to be common to most of us, or maybe even just one - the golden rule - which is very easy to explain via evolution. We can observe it in other species.
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If Darwinian theory be true, we're no more special than fish or kangaroos
That's right, we're not. Given enough time, the descendants of other species may develop sentience/consciousness, as well.
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our moral structure is a hindrance to the strong not an advantage.
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Are you alluding to the idea that "the strong" are supposed to survive and reproduce? It's the most fit, not the strongest, who survive and reproduce. As it turns out, a civilized society based on morals works quite well for humans.
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:34 am to
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I'm sure that's what you want

Are you not familiar with presuppositional apologetics?
Posted by Celery
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:35 am to
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a civilized society based on morals works quite well for humans.


It isn’t the only thing that sets humans apart from other animals, but I’d think some form of morality would be beneficial as humans began to coexist in larger and larger groups, ensuring coexistence and furthering the species, allowing humans to thrive.

Just because a form of morality exists, obviously we’re not bound by it, as much of it would appear to be a construct.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 11:41 am
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:36 am to
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our moral structure is that we realized we are stronger as a community than individuals

That's not evolution then.
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:37 am to
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Do you have any physical evidence of this theory?

No one does. Worldviews are developed in the mind.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:38 am to
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God and evolution can coexist.

I'm fine with it.

But universal laws cannot exist without a universal lawgiver.
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:42 am to
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Says... you? My own set of morals has developed just over my lifetime.
I'm sure they have, but you've borrowed from a Christian worldview to get there. You just don't realize it.

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As it turns out, a civilized society based on morals works quite well for humans.

Because in fact, there is a God, and a societies based on what he deems appropriate was is his design.

Google Jeff Durbin. He argues from the same premises as Cornelius Van Til. To dismiss it would be to hinder your growth as a well rounded human.

Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:43 am to
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That's not evolution then.
Why not?
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:43 am to
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But universal laws cannot exist without a universal lawgiver.
Which laws are universal?
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:46 am to
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Do you have any physical evidence of this theory?

reasoning and rationality could not exist if not for a rational God. Your ability to develop thoughts and type them on a well designed computer or phone proves God's existence.

Apart from him, there is no law, no order, no universal truths. No basis for anything at all.
Any time you act according to order, law, rationality, or truth you are borrowing from a worldview, which you reject (assuming you're not Christian).

Isn't that cool?! :jump1: :jump2:
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:46 am to
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Anthropologists, at what point do you believe we became sentient?
Arkansas residents:

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:46 am to
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I'm sure they have, but you've borrowed from a Christian worldview to get there. You just don't realize it.
And the christians borrowed the worldview from those before them.
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Because in fact, there is a God, and a societies based on what he deems appropriate was is his design.
Link?
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Google Jeff Durbin. He argues from the same premises as Cornelius Van Til.
I should warn you, I am not easily swayed by the ramblings of cult leaders.
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To dismiss it would be to hinder your growth as a well rounded human.

Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:46 am to
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That's not evolution then.


I don't think you understand evolution TBH
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:48 am to
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Why not?

It's something. But it's not what Darwin, Freud, Nietzsche believed.

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Which laws are universal


gravity, mathematics, murder, theft, etc.
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