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re: Anthropologists, at what point do you believe we became sentient?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:49 am to Salmon
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:49 am to Salmon
quote:It wouldn't matter if I didn't. Evolution isn't the argument here. It's higher than that.
I don't think you understand evolution TBH
If evolution produces morality it's because God exists.
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:49 am to bayoubengals88
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I'm fine with it. But universal laws cannot exist without a universal lawgiver.
Sure, I’m fine with that too. The Universal Lawgiver could easily have set into motion a 2 million year long process of evolving morality as well as other traits that set humans apart from animals. Or the Lawgiver could just as easily say “boom! You now have morality.”
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:51 am to bayoubengals88
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reasoning and rationality could not exist if not for a rational God. Your ability to develop thoughts and type them on a well designed computer or phone proves God's existence.
Do you have anything whatsoever to back this insane assertion up?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:52 am to bayoubengals88
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gravity, mathematics
neither of which are "laws"
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:52 am to Korkstand
quote:Judaeo-Christian
And the christians borrowed the worldview from those before them.
quote:I'm not asking you to be persuaded. I'd just like you to watch one of his 15-20 minute street apologetics videos.
I should warn you, I am not easily swayed by the ramblings of cult leaders.
Christianity is not a cult because it is true.
Would you not like to know the very best of Christian apologetic argumentation? It would make you all the wiser.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:52 am to bayoubengals88
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If evolution produces morality it's because God exists.
"I don't understand something, therefore, God."
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:58 am to AMS
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Sentience is a social construct. My dog acts guilty if he poops inside, is that because he understands right and wrong, or because he understands consequences? Now apply that to humans in a slightly more complex fashion.
Elephants personally fascinate me if they are sentient. They have an absolute fascination with death that makes you wonder if they're aware it will eventually happen to them. Koko the Gorilla also makes me wonder how sentient apes are in general. They think Koko had the mental capacity at that of a human three year old.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:00 pm to Salmon
The fact of the matter is that we have made ZERO progress in solving the hard problem of consciousness. To shut down the idea of God, law giver, etc is extremely ignorant.
It's the greatest scientific challenge of our time. There’s definitely a growing basis within the scientific community that realizes materialism cannot solve the hard problem of consciousness. Our current scientific approach offers no theory at all — only correlations. I am optimistic that we will one day have a science of consciousness, but it won't be science as we know it today. Nothing less than a revolution is called for, and it's already on its way.
Who knows? Maybe the brain evolved to RECEIVE consciousness? It could be an undetected force within the universe that we haven’t discovered.
It's the greatest scientific challenge of our time. There’s definitely a growing basis within the scientific community that realizes materialism cannot solve the hard problem of consciousness. Our current scientific approach offers no theory at all — only correlations. I am optimistic that we will one day have a science of consciousness, but it won't be science as we know it today. Nothing less than a revolution is called for, and it's already on its way.
Who knows? Maybe the brain evolved to RECEIVE consciousness? It could be an undetected force within the universe that we haven’t discovered.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:02 pm to Tunasntigers92
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So do you believe primates are actually evolving through the stone age now?
Chimps for all intents and purposes probably have actually reached the Stone Age.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:03 pm to OMLandshark
Lol no. Cimps would be on the verge of extinction if it weren’t for humans keeping their population numbers up.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:06 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:If you do not believe in God then you are a materialist.
Do you have anything whatsoever to back this insane assertion up?
If you are a materialist then you must believe that there is ultimately no point to life.
If you believe that there is no point to life, why do you live in contradiction to that?
Answer: Not out of any social construct (that would be truly insane), but because there exist universal laws based on the universal lawgiver. There are no absolutes outside of God.
It's called the Transcendental Argument for the existence of God. It was developed by Cornelius Van Til and continues to be the basis of Presuppositional Christian Apologetics today. John Frame has continued the tradition, and Greg Bahnsen mastered the rhetorical aspect of it before his early death in 1995.
Greg Bahnsen vs. Gordon Stein
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:08 pm to Tunasntigers92
6000 years ago, give or take a couple of years.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:08 pm to lsut2005
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ZERO progress
Well that is not true. Quantum physics is an emerging field, and we are understanding more and more about how we are made. The JWST will allow us to see deeper in space and understand our beginning.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:08 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Good point. It helps my argument. Science can only theorize because there are no such thing as absolutes outside of God.
neither of which are "laws"
So why do you live as if absolutes exist?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:08 pm to lsut2005
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Lol no. Cimps would be on the verge of extinction if it weren’t for humans keeping their population numbers up.
They know how to use stones as tools and weapons. That technically counts as the stone age so long as you know how to use a stone as a tool.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:08 pm to bayoubengals88
There’s a lot of scientific evidence for a creator. Maybe not the God of Abraham but a creator of some kind nonetheless.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:10 pm to lsut2005
quote:This is interesting. It doesn't sound like you are a Christian, but you are wise nonetheless. Certainly wiser than the rest to be able say something like this:
Who knows? Maybe the brain evolved to RECEIVE consciousness? It could be an undetected force within the universe that we haven’t discovered.
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The fact of the matter is that we have made ZERO progress in solving the hard problem of consciousness. To shut down the idea of God, law giver, etc is extremely ignorant.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:13 pm to Salmon
quote:I'm a scientist as much as you are a theologian. Fortunately for me, being a theologian is more helpful when realizing the meaning of life.
"I don't understand something, therefore, God."
And you are a theologian by the way. Everyone is. You're just not a very good one.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:14 pm to lsut2005
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The fact of the matter is that we have made ZERO progress in solving the hard problem of consciousness. To shut down the idea of God, law giver, etc is extremely ignorant.
I'm not shutting down the idea of God or a god or some other unknown power.
I just need evidence.
The God of Gaps is shrinking by the day.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:17 pm to lsut2005
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Cimps would be on the verge of extinction if it weren’t for humans keeping their population numbers up.
That has nothing to do with their evolution. They can be evolving while being in danger of extinction. See the Toba Bottleneck, in regards to near human extinction.
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