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re: Another day, another soul-crushing traffic situation for EBR
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:41 am to skullhawk
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:41 am to skullhawk
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The interstate accidents are always the fault of bad driving
Well I’m hard pressed to think of an accident scenario that isn’t the result of bad driving
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:46 am to Ace Midnight
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If only Baton Rouge employed some traffic engineers to work on these types of problems.
If only...
sounds like we need a study
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:51 am to skullhawk
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The interstate accidents are always the fault of bad driving
Honest question though. What can be done to cull the bad driving? I make the trek from Prairieville to NBR 5 days a week and its rampant.
More police presence on the roadways pulling people over and giving them tickets? What if you simply lose your license after so many infractions?
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:53 am to wildtigercat93
I'd be willing to bet most accidents on the interstate stem from slow driving in the left lane.
And then the suggestion that it invovles bad driving.
Nope.
There are too many accidents because of poorly designed roads. How many times in other parts of the US where there's topography do accidents happen because of cars stopped ahead, but the drivers approaching don't see the accident until they are too close to stop. In the mountains in Tn and Ky, this happens on the interstates.
Multiple deaths from roads going over hills without the visibility to see problems ahead.
Accidents off the interstate where the roads follow wagon roads. Where the roads are too narrow and going off and into a ditch becomes a rollover stopped by a tree. (Wagon roads were easy for horse drawn wagons, but no visibility and no banking or straightening for modern vehicles.
Compound that with inattentive drivers = disasters.
And then the suggestion that it invovles bad driving.
Nope.
There are too many accidents because of poorly designed roads. How many times in other parts of the US where there's topography do accidents happen because of cars stopped ahead, but the drivers approaching don't see the accident until they are too close to stop. In the mountains in Tn and Ky, this happens on the interstates.
Multiple deaths from roads going over hills without the visibility to see problems ahead.
Accidents off the interstate where the roads follow wagon roads. Where the roads are too narrow and going off and into a ditch becomes a rollover stopped by a tree. (Wagon roads were easy for horse drawn wagons, but no visibility and no banking or straightening for modern vehicles.
Compound that with inattentive drivers = disasters.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 11:01 am to HoustonChick86
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Traffic in this city is an absolute nightmare. I found Houston traffic easier to deal with.
Well, in Houston whenever there is a wreck they push the mess off the road as quickly as possible. In BR, everyone has to wait until the police finish gathering evidence for the insurance companies to defend against upcoming lawsuits filed by ambulance chasers.
Get Gordon, get it done.
One call, that's all.
Before you accept a check, check with me.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 11:06 am to real turf fan
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There are too many accidents because of poorly designed roads.
That's a huge part of it. And many of these design flaws can be easily corrected, but very little money is spent on infrastructure in Louisiana outside of New Orleans.
Example: The decking for I-10 in Baton Rouge between the bridge and College Drive has not been modified, rebuilt, expanded, or corrected since it was built nearly 60 years ago. The metro area has quadrupled in size since then, but we have the same old highway with horrible alignment, narrow lanes, shitty lighting, and a nightmare of a merge point at I-110.
We have a huge backlog of highway work that will basically never get done.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 11:10 am
Posted on 1/8/19 at 11:06 am to skullhawk
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metro area 8x bigger than Baton Rouge has more road options? I find that hard to believe.
Oh please. Lake Charles has more road options.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 11:11 am to JOJO Hammer
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The engineer who designed the I10 bridge (new bridge) is a Texas A&M grad. That may explain a lot of the problems.
The bridge isn't the problem. The merge points at sharp turn at the I-110/I-10 split is the problem.
Traffic backs up onto and over the bridge because of that clusterfrick. It's a horrible design that prioritizes I-110 traffic over I-10 for some unknown reason.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 11:22 am to HuskyPanda
The absolute most stupid drivers in the state travel this route. Ascension Parish is full of idiots.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 11:23 am to real turf fan
What a fricking idiot.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 11:29 am to MrSmith65
When I get my flying car, I’m peeing on all of you down below.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 11:37 am to HuskyPanda
The issue isn't bad driving, it's a lack of redundancy in the road grid. Due to bad urban planning, bad road design, geography (which puts wetlands EVERYWHERE), and the Army Corp of Engineers basically making it unfeasible to build/widen roads or bridges across wetlands since the 1980's, the routes to, through, around, and across the city are extremely limited.
For example, for one of the 80k people who live in East Ascension to get to EBR across Bayou Manchac, they have only so many options:
Highway 30 (2 lanes), Airline Highway (4 lanes), I-10 (4 lanes, being widened to 6), Jefferson Highway (2 lanes, but it merges into, out of, and back into Airline creating a couple choke points), and Perkins (2 lanes) which merges into Highland at the Interstate creating another massive chose spot.
For the 130k peeps that call LP home, the only routes into EBR across the Amite River are I-10 (6 lanes), Florida Blvd (4 lanes), and Magnolia Bridge Road (4 lanes, but quickly goes back to 2).
For the tens of thousands who cross the bridge daily to commute to work at Dow, the Port, Placid, and other plants on the West Bank, there are only two routes: I-10 (6 lanes that quickly go down to 4, and goes down to 1 coming into BR), and the Old U.S. 190 Bridge (4 lanes).
That means the only routes that can take you across town from north to south are I-10/110, LA30/River Road/Chocktaw/Plank), and Airline Highway. The only roads that can take one East/West across the city are Florida Blvd and I-12/10.
If one of those roads gets shut down, EVERYTHING is f&%ked. There simply are not enough roads that cross the Amite River, Bayou Manchac, and Mississippi River for one bad driver not to paralyze the city. Once someone's inside the city, there aren't enough consistent surface streets which connect to form a workable grid to keep accidents on those main north/south and east/west thoroughfares from paralyzing half the city.
There are bad drivers everywhere. In BR, the difference is that with so few alternative routes, bad drivers don't just slow down one road, they cripple the entire metro area.
For example, for one of the 80k people who live in East Ascension to get to EBR across Bayou Manchac, they have only so many options:
Highway 30 (2 lanes), Airline Highway (4 lanes), I-10 (4 lanes, being widened to 6), Jefferson Highway (2 lanes, but it merges into, out of, and back into Airline creating a couple choke points), and Perkins (2 lanes) which merges into Highland at the Interstate creating another massive chose spot.
For the 130k peeps that call LP home, the only routes into EBR across the Amite River are I-10 (6 lanes), Florida Blvd (4 lanes), and Magnolia Bridge Road (4 lanes, but quickly goes back to 2).
For the tens of thousands who cross the bridge daily to commute to work at Dow, the Port, Placid, and other plants on the West Bank, there are only two routes: I-10 (6 lanes that quickly go down to 4, and goes down to 1 coming into BR), and the Old U.S. 190 Bridge (4 lanes).
That means the only routes that can take you across town from north to south are I-10/110, LA30/River Road/Chocktaw/Plank), and Airline Highway. The only roads that can take one East/West across the city are Florida Blvd and I-12/10.
If one of those roads gets shut down, EVERYTHING is f&%ked. There simply are not enough roads that cross the Amite River, Bayou Manchac, and Mississippi River for one bad driver not to paralyze the city. Once someone's inside the city, there aren't enough consistent surface streets which connect to form a workable grid to keep accidents on those main north/south and east/west thoroughfares from paralyzing half the city.
There are bad drivers everywhere. In BR, the difference is that with so few alternative routes, bad drivers don't just slow down one road, they cripple the entire metro area.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 11:38 am
Posted on 1/8/19 at 11:59 am to kingbob
Excellent post!
Posted on 1/8/19 at 12:02 pm to Ace Midnight
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If only Baton Rouge employed some traffic engineers to work on these types of problems. If only...
Look, they’ve done some studies that indicate that more studies are needed to determine if the study to get more traffic engineers can be approved.
Gonna need a few mil
Posted on 1/8/19 at 12:21 pm to member12
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It's a horrible design that prioritizes I-110 traffic over I-10 for some unknown reason.
That seems easily fixable by forcing 110 into one lane from before the interchange until we’ll after it.
Has that been discussed?
Posted on 1/8/19 at 12:30 pm to Ace Midnight
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If only Baton Rouge employed some traffic engineers to work on these types of problems.
If only...
HA! It's the politicians, their DOTD leader cronies and their chosen consultants that continue fack this shite up. If only the actual engineers could do their jobs...
Posted on 1/8/19 at 12:31 pm to HoustonChick86
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Radio said there was no getting around the accident and to find an alternate route.
Traffic in this city is an absolute nightmare. I found Houston traffic easier to deal with.
I seen it this morning. I drive East outta BR so I gave a pity-wave to them poor frickers
Posted on 1/8/19 at 12:33 pm to mikelbr
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I seen it this morning. I drive East outta BR so I gave a pity-wave to them poor frickers
I take all surface streets to work and school. I rarely have issues with BR traffic. I pay out of the arse for private school to avoid it though
Posted on 1/8/19 at 1:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
So sad, what a terrible way to start a day.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 5:03 pm to kingbob
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LA30/River Road/Chocktaw/Plank
I think there’s local funding to widen LA30 to 4 lanes on the EBR side.
Not on the Ascension Parish side
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