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re: Another day, another murderous cop let off the hook

Posted on 12/8/17 at 3:48 pm to
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
91312 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 3:48 pm to
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If that was my son or brother that cops days would be numbered.
No doubt about it
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
20209 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 3:51 pm to
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The narrative that murderous cops go unpunished, dumbass


One cop goes to jail, and not even for murder. I guess it’s all settled then, we don’t have an epidemic of cops escaping justice.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
16569 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 4:08 pm to
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If the cop was in fact just carrying out “bad training” why was he fired from the police force that trained him?

Did the police force have is weapon engraved with “You’re fricked” on it?


If you’re asking me to guess, you seemed to have posted a good reason. From what I’ve read, he was fired for “performance issues” AND because he etched “You’re fricked” on a dust cover of an agency issued rifle (destruction of government property). Perhaps if not for killing an unarmed man he would still be employed, but I still think he deserved to be fired for all those reasons.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
16569 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 4:20 pm to
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Another thing if it was really a training issue.

Why did only one cop shoot?

There was at least 4 other cops with weapons drawn. I believe I read there were a total of 6. But I counted 4 from the video itself.

Why weren’t the other police officers trained as poorly?



That happens. Even in your job, ask yourself how many times people fail to do as they are trained when they doubt that it’s the right thing to do. But you know there are also people who think too literally and will gladly do the wrong thing knowing damn well it was a bad choice. Not everyone acts honorably.

Since I started posting on this this thread, I’ve now read that the former cop’s defense was literally what I’ve been speculating - that he was doing what he was trained to do. As it turned out, the prosecution failed to prove the former officer acted contrary to his training, which would have made him criminally liable.

In my view, he is a murderer because he chose to murder during that incident, knowing he’d be covered criminally by agency policy. I’m quite comfortable saying that, despite no criminal conviction.

OJ is also a murderer. But both were acquitted criminally for different legal reasons.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38435 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 4:30 pm to
I'm as pro-police as they get, but that piece of shite and his sergeant need to fricking rot in jail for the rest of their lives.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10586 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 4:34 pm to
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I’ve now read that the former cop’s defense was literally what I’ve been speculating - that he was doing what he was trained to do.


He also said he felt threatened and felt the obviously very drunk guy on the ground with his hands in the air and his ankles crossed had the tactical advantage. He is a complete psychopath and what he says has absolutely no merit whatsoever.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 4:34 pm
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
16569 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 4:39 pm to
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He also said he felt threatened and felt the obviously very drunk guy on the ground with his hands in the air and his ankles crossed had the tactical advantage. He is a complete psychopath and what he says has absolutely no merit whatsoever.

I’m sure he knew that as long as claimed that, he’d be protected from criminal and civil liability. His agency on the other hand, will now be on the hook for millions. They’ll settle.

Bump this thread when the time comes and feel free to call me out on it if I’m wrong.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 4:44 pm to
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When are we gonna start holding these sons of bitches accountable?


What? The dude was charged and put on trial. What else are you asking for?
Posted by Guava Jelly
Bawston
Member since Jul 2009
11960 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 5:18 pm to
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That was not 2nd degree murder. That was 1st degree pre-meditated murder. Cop had his mind made up he was going to shoot somebody.

1st degree is harder to convict, but I tend to agree.

At the very least, this is something akin to depraved heart.


Most interesting from a procedural standpoint is that the judge barred admission of the words "you're fricked" on the side of the rifle following a 403 objection. Those words would have been very probative in proving his mental state ahead of the situation.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
20209 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 5:35 pm to
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What? The dude was charged and put on trial. What else are you asking for?


Fair point, this case was at least brought to trial, and given the status quo hats the best we can ask for.

But time and time again they get off. There’s obviously something wrong with the justice system, police training, or both since guys like this are still walking free.

This might be there most obvious and egregious unnecessary police killing I’ve ever seen. This cop should be hanging from a branch somewhere.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 5:56 pm to
little dick cops gonna little dick cop


Dude lost his life over a drunk game of Simon Says
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10586 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 7:41 pm to
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I’m sure he knew that as long as claimed that, he’d be protected from criminal and civil liability.


So you don't believe he was being truthful about his fears in the situation, but believe he is being truthful about following his training? How do you decide what to believe here exactly?
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10586 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 7:42 pm to
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What? The dude was charged and put on trial. What else are you asking for?


For starters, how about a system that's not rigged to protect you and your fellow thin blue liners when caught on tape executing a non-threating, unarmed civilian in a hallway?
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 7:54 pm
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 7:51 pm to

Anyone know why the pig at the end of the video was trying in remedial vain to open room 500 instead of 502?

Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
60053 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 8:08 pm to
The video is hard to watch. Just wow.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68083 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 8:16 pm to
I sincerely hope the downvotes are for the cop and not OP. That officer is the worst TPOS ever. WTF did I just watch?
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 8:18 pm
Posted by Laryngitis
SouthLA
Member since May 2010
362 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 8:20 pm to
I'm a former LEO & would hang that punk cop in a second -- although anyone w/ common sense can see that was murder.
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
Member since Aug 2014
9299 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 8:36 pm to
I hope everyone who downvoted the OP gets the biggest, blackest dick in hell.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143696 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:26 pm to
This isn't a black/white issue.

But I would be glad to help hold any downvoters down.


Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
59080 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:28 pm to
Police aren't really capable of murder. They receive special training so it isn't murder like when a civilian does it. I can't believe how some of y'all aren't backing the badge here
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