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re: An update, honestly if anyone cares...
Posted on 1/29/26 at 11:09 am to yadaddy
Posted on 1/29/26 at 11:09 am to yadaddy
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He says clearly that ALL whom the Father has given Him will come to Him. Jesus will never push those away. He then claims that it's the will of the Father that Jesus wouldn't lose ANY of these that have been drawn to Him. If that was the Father's will and the reason Jesus came, is it true meaning Jesus completed the task ie: "it is finished," or did Jesus fail to fulfill the will of the Father?
This isn't an argument for universalism at all by the way, it's the basis for God's sovereignty in salvation.
I got ya. Now we're getting into the territory of humans responsiblity colliding with God's sovereignity, which has been argued and debated for thousands of years. I've done some deep dives on the subject and I have found holes with fully free will as well as with Calvinistic doctrine. I've sort of settled on it in the same way I wrestled with the trinity. The trinity really cannot be compared to anything in the natural world because it is inherently un-natural. If the trinity existed before the formation of time, space and matter, then it must be inherently timeless, spaceless, and immaterial and thus cannot fit into a logical time,space, matter bubble of comparison. I view the balance of God's sovereignity and free will in a similar fashion and no human world view will fully explain or encapsulate it.
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 12:52 pm
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Posted on 1/29/26 at 11:17 am to bayoubengals88
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This begs the question of "then why did he create them?"
This is a great question that we can only gives theories on possibilities why. Perhaps God created the universe, knowing the beginning from the end, in the manner where the MOST possible people would be saved. That's possible. We just simply do not know all the ins and outs of it.
Certainly, if God created creatures with the ability to make a choice, it's impossible that every person would choose the same thing. Some would decide to reject him but that doesn't mean he is responsible for their disobedience. This gets into the area of my above post though of the intersection of God's sovereignity and human responsibility.
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I'm not a univeralist though. I'm more of an annihilationist.
Okay I see, thank you for clarifying your position. Not that all will make it to heaven regardless but that God will eventually erase the existence of those apart from Christ instead of Hell being an eternal thing.
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 11:19 am
Posted on 1/29/26 at 11:34 am to SouthernHog
Go to Church together twice Sundays
Take one Sunday off to enjoy God's creation, spend quality time in nature together
Take one Sunday off to enjoy God's creation, spend quality time in nature together
Posted on 1/29/26 at 12:10 pm to OWLFAN86
quote:The extra biblical glawspel of Canon Law does not allow for this.
Take one Sunday off to enjoy God's creation, spend quality time in nature together
Posted on 1/29/26 at 12:13 pm to SouthernHog
You’re the head of the family. Stick to it. Love your wife, and lead and teach her gently with patience.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:38 pm to bayoubengals88
Yeah, and priests forgive your sins.
1. Authority Structure: Critics argue that the Pope is treated as an infallible, unquestionable leader, similar to a cult leader.
2. "Works-Based" Salvation: Some argue that Catholic teachings on salvation (faith plus works/sacraments) contradict the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace alone, making it a "false religion" or "heretical".
3. Veneration of Mary and Saints: Practices like praying to Mary and the saints are seen by some as idolatry or a "cult" of worship separate from Christ.
4. Traditional Authority vs. Scripture: The view that the Church puts its own traditions and magisterium on par with, or above, the Bible is cited as a cult-like characteristic.
5. Specific Sub-Groups: Some note that while the Church as a whole is not a cult, certain, more insular movements within it, such as Opus Dei, can display cult-like behaviors.
Your right in there with the LDS church
1. Authority Structure: Critics argue that the Pope is treated as an infallible, unquestionable leader, similar to a cult leader.
2. "Works-Based" Salvation: Some argue that Catholic teachings on salvation (faith plus works/sacraments) contradict the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace alone, making it a "false religion" or "heretical".
3. Veneration of Mary and Saints: Practices like praying to Mary and the saints are seen by some as idolatry or a "cult" of worship separate from Christ.
4. Traditional Authority vs. Scripture: The view that the Church puts its own traditions and magisterium on par with, or above, the Bible is cited as a cult-like characteristic.
5. Specific Sub-Groups: Some note that while the Church as a whole is not a cult, certain, more insular movements within it, such as Opus Dei, can display cult-like behaviors.
Your right in there with the LDS church
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:40 pm to MorbidTheClown
You mean, soccer board.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 4:27 pm to RedlandsTiger
quote:Has it not been obvious that I am very much NOT a Roman Catholic?
Yeah, and priests forgive your sins.
1. Authority Structure: Critics argue that the Pope is treated as an infallible, unquestionable leader, similar to a cult leader.
2. "Works-Based" Salvation: Some argue that Catholic teachings on salvation (faith plus works/sacraments) contradict the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace alone, making it a "false religion" or "heretical".
3. Veneration of Mary and Saints: Practices like praying to Mary and the saints are seen by some as idolatry or a "cult" of worship separate from Christ.
4. Traditional Authority vs. Scripture: The view that the Church puts its own traditions and magisterium on par with, or above, the Bible is cited as a cult-like characteristic.
5. Specific Sub-Groups: Some note that while the Church as a whole is not a cult, certain, more insular movements within it, such as Opus Dei, can display cult-like behaviors.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 4:37 pm to Bowstring1
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I believe that it is important that that decision is made before kids ever come into the picture. Ma mother was a devout Catholic and my father was raised Protestant. Before they were ever married, he agreed to do everything he could to make sure that all of their children were raised catholic. I spent a lot of time with my father hunting fishing, etc., but he always made sure that I was at mass on time and did everything he could to support me in my Catholic faith. As well as my five brothers and sisters.
I’m not trying to be insulting, but genuinely curious how someone could be 100% supportive of raising their children in a different faith, yet not want to convert to that faith as well.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 4:47 pm to bayoubengals88
What, are you Muslim? Jewish? Agnostic? Methodist?!
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 1/29/26 at 5:46 pm to RedlandsTiger
quote:I’m liturgical and have spent many pages arguing against Roman Catholicism.
What, are you Muslim? Jewish? Agnostic? Methodist?!
As I referenced early on, I’m a hold out of historic Protestantism.
That leaves Lutheran, Anglican, Reformed/Presbyterian.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 5:53 pm to bayoubengals88
Soo, Catholic Lite?
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 1/29/26 at 5:55 pm to SouthernHog
Im not religious but those rock concert masses seam weird to me.
I was raised catholic so maybe thats why.
If you are religious I dont see why you need a gimmick to attend
I was raised catholic so maybe thats why.
If you are religious I dont see why you need a gimmick to attend
Posted on 1/29/26 at 5:59 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:02 pm to RedlandsTiger
quote:To the uninformed, yes.
Soo, Catholic Lite?
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:08 pm to SouthernHog
1. Yall didnt know this about each other when you got married
2. Its wild to me non-denom people have no idea how over the top their services are
ETA: I glossed over the fiance part and I am dumbass... that said I hope yall are able to work this out going forward
2. Its wild to me non-denom people have no idea how over the top their services are
ETA: I glossed over the fiance part and I am dumbass... that said I hope yall are able to work this out going forward
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:29 pm to BrohemAlem11
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A few weeks ago I made a post saying my fiance would not be happy about me attending Mass.
I don't think OP is married yet.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:20 pm to Epic Cajun
I honestly can’t answer that, but I can tell you that the older I get the more I admire what my father did. I don’t know what his feelings were, but he was extremely supportive of our faith as we were growing up. Later in life he did convert to Catholicism.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:23 pm to SouthernHog
Those who pray together stay together..... Joking, I just made that up.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:28 pm to SouthernHog
I won't let my kids get influenced by that Catholic nonsense by going to their private schools. That stuff is a cancer and religious rot that messes people up for decades.
You don't need confession.
You don't need the sacraments.
You don't need to progressive salvation.
You only need 1 advocate and that's Jesus Christ via his blood on the cross.
You don't need Mary. She was not sinless. She was just a vessel.
I've seen more people struggle to break free from their "traditions" than I care to count. In the end, Catholic Church is sending multitudes upon multitudes straight to hell.
Not here to argue about it either. Just the facts.
You don't need confession.
You don't need the sacraments.
You don't need to progressive salvation.
You only need 1 advocate and that's Jesus Christ via his blood on the cross.
You don't need Mary. She was not sinless. She was just a vessel.
I've seen more people struggle to break free from their "traditions" than I care to count. In the end, Catholic Church is sending multitudes upon multitudes straight to hell.
Not here to argue about it either. Just the facts.
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 8:29 pm
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