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re: Amtrak train derails & falls from bridge onto I-5 in Olympia, Washington, at least 3 dead
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:10 pm to Golfer
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:10 pm to Golfer
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I’m not a train expert. But didn’t the conductor relay a mayday call before the derail? Guy probably heard/felt the train trying to brake when conductor realized he was going to be going too fast into the curve.
I don't know about a mayday call but there was a call just after the derailment. I assume it came from the trailing engine since the lead engine had already merged onto I-5.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 1:31 am
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:00 am to redstick13
One of the reports I had heard this morning was that the train hit a truck. This is not what I had in my mind.
It has to be speed related. That was produced by way more energy than 35 mph. 80 seems accurate.
It has to be speed related. That was produced by way more energy than 35 mph. 80 seems accurate.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:09 am to redstick13
Idk what I'm looking at in that picture. Damn.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:12 am to redstick13
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The guy driving the container truck in this pic will need a new set of underwear. Imagine a damn train engine falling on the hood of your truck.
The driver of the semi probably needs several stiff drinks, 43 bong hits, and a pacemaker in addition to a new pair of underwear.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:52 am to UASports23
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Glad my fellow NW posters & fam are safe.
Who would down vote this?
Side note, I work at Madigan and it was a crazy long day. Then it took 5 1/2 hours to get home. The ER did good work today and the staff did a phenomenal job with mascal operations.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:32 am to WestSideTiger
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It has to be speed related. That was produced by way more energy than 35 mph. 80 seems accurate.
At least the engineer knows the proper way to enter a freeway.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 7:48 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 2:01 am to WestSideTiger
I read on twitter it was antifa
-the poli board
-the poli board
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:43 am to WeeWee
That truck driver and the passengers on that train that came out unharmed just hit the lottery. 80mph in a 30 mph zone, it shouldn’t even go to trial. Railroad should just ask them how much to make this go away?
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:45 am to NWarty
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Southern alternate route is fooked so I have to go north and end around to Shelton. Google maps is showing dark red around 507 to Yelm.
Q13 just suggested taking the Narrows Bridge and coming down the peninsula if you're trying to get further south than Lakewood. Holy shite. Glad I don't have to go that way
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:18 am to northshorebamaman
An engineer "drives" the train. The conductor is in back dealing with the passengers.
15 years rail experience makes the speculation here comical.
15 years rail experience makes the speculation here comical.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:46 am to TDsngumbo
It's not easy driving a train and taking selfies at the same time.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:52 am to BuckyCheese
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An engineer "drives" the train. The conductor is in back dealing with the passengers.
I learned this from Unstoppable along with several other valuable lessons about trains.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:20 am to TDsngumbo
I hope she was ok 
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:28 am to WestSideTiger
Read this on a Railroad forum fwiw, sounds like human error to me.
"Today, December 18th 2017, started out as a day of celebration for the first runs of the Amtrak Cascades and the Starlight on the recently finished Lakewood Sub. Instead, it was a day of tragedy.
About 20 minutes after departing the new Tacoma Dome Passenger station, a 25 minute late Cascades 501 derailed on to Interstate 5 at the point where the railroad crosses the median separated freeway on two bridges.
Most of the 78 passengers and crew were injured and between 3 and 6 people perished. I had 3 friends as passengers, in addition to the engineer. It took some time but eventually I was informed that all of my friends survived, but were hospitalized with pretty serious injuries. It should be noted, there were two people in the cab. Both survived and were taken to local hospitals.
The lead locomotive, WDTX 1402, a new WSDOT Charger, ended up on the southbound lanes of I-5, after plowing through a stand of trees. Several vehicles were damaged but there were no fatalities on the freeway. It appears 6 to 8 of the 12 cars followed the locomotive in to the trees and down on to I-5 and several were accordioned on and off the bridge over I-5. The trailing unit, AMTK 181 (P42) remained on the rails, the only part of the train to do so.
The derailment occurred at point were a 30 mile permanent speed restriction begins, a reduction of the 79 mph max speed for the previous 9 miles.
You may have heard reports of the train hitting an obstruction or being sabotaged. Both appear unlikely from my time spent at the scene, but I’m not an expert and the investigation has only just started.
Hearing the conductor make his emergency call was very scary, made worse by the knowledge of all the people I knew on board. Please keep the crew, passengers and loved ones of those affected in your prayers.
Please keep any comments positive and avoid speculation on the cause. Lets wait until the investigation is complete."
"Today, December 18th 2017, started out as a day of celebration for the first runs of the Amtrak Cascades and the Starlight on the recently finished Lakewood Sub. Instead, it was a day of tragedy.
About 20 minutes after departing the new Tacoma Dome Passenger station, a 25 minute late Cascades 501 derailed on to Interstate 5 at the point where the railroad crosses the median separated freeway on two bridges.
Most of the 78 passengers and crew were injured and between 3 and 6 people perished. I had 3 friends as passengers, in addition to the engineer. It took some time but eventually I was informed that all of my friends survived, but were hospitalized with pretty serious injuries. It should be noted, there were two people in the cab. Both survived and were taken to local hospitals.
The lead locomotive, WDTX 1402, a new WSDOT Charger, ended up on the southbound lanes of I-5, after plowing through a stand of trees. Several vehicles were damaged but there were no fatalities on the freeway. It appears 6 to 8 of the 12 cars followed the locomotive in to the trees and down on to I-5 and several were accordioned on and off the bridge over I-5. The trailing unit, AMTK 181 (P42) remained on the rails, the only part of the train to do so.
The derailment occurred at point were a 30 mile permanent speed restriction begins, a reduction of the 79 mph max speed for the previous 9 miles.
You may have heard reports of the train hitting an obstruction or being sabotaged. Both appear unlikely from my time spent at the scene, but I’m not an expert and the investigation has only just started.
Hearing the conductor make his emergency call was very scary, made worse by the knowledge of all the people I knew on board. Please keep the crew, passengers and loved ones of those affected in your prayers.
Please keep any comments positive and avoid speculation on the cause. Lets wait until the investigation is complete."
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:04 am to fightin tigers
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Describes almost every route.
If high-speed routes have that kind of drop mid-route... perhaps we need to fix those tracks and eliminate those drops before high speed rail becomes a big thing here.
I get the operator needs to know... but this just seems like trouble waiting to happen.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:16 pm to LSUFanHouston
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f high-speed routes have that kind of drop mid-route... perhaps we need to fix those tracks and eliminate those drops before high speed rail becomes a big thing here.
The entire line was inspected and upgraded with supervision from whatever commission overseas them just for this train. The tracks were specifically laid for this train only and not to be shared with freight trains.
It would seem the state of the art locomotive didn’t have this feature available for this run.
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Improves safety This "next generation" rail equipment features safety upgrades, including on-board positive trian control system, which will automatically stop the train when there are dangerous situations on the rails, once the system is activated corridor-wide in 2018.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:19 pm to redstick13
What I’m blown away by is that Waze, a free app on my phone, can tell me I’m speeding on a specific road. Yet we don’t have that same technology for trains?
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:33 pm to Golfer
It was a state of the art locomotive. You would think it comes with a navigation system.
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