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re: America/LA Prison Population. Explain these numbers in as non-partisan way as possible
Posted on 6/17/20 at 11:37 pm to sgallo3
Posted on 6/17/20 at 11:37 pm to sgallo3
What happened in the mid 60s to early 70s? The introduction of mass welfare. Federal and local government representatives literally told regular citizens and single mothers that they didn't have to marry or work, that the more kids you had, the more money Uncle Sam would give you. The democrats then switched tactics, and became soft Marxists that told blacks they could never succeed on their own because systemic racism was a boot on their collective necks. Worked like a charm. Millions now are slaves to government handouts, and dont even see how the very party they are voting for is holding them back.
This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 11:40 pm
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Posted on 6/17/20 at 11:40 pm to sgallo3
Big, corrupt governments, even (and especially) state* governments, who pass more and more and more laws...year after year after year= easier to get inda club.
Year in and year out Mississippi might have LA beat on the fat people and heart disease, but if there's one governing body that I think of when I think "corrupt governing bodies," it's Louisiana.
And I say that as a fan of the people of that state.
The problem is not the goddamn police, people, the problem is the police STATE!
*ETA: (and especially) state AND EVEN MORE ESPECIALLY, LOCAL governments
Year in and year out Mississippi might have LA beat on the fat people and heart disease, but if there's one governing body that I think of when I think "corrupt governing bodies," it's Louisiana.
And I say that as a fan of the people of that state.
The problem is not the goddamn police, people, the problem is the police STATE!
*ETA: (and especially) state AND EVEN MORE ESPECIALLY, LOCAL governments
This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 6/17/20 at 11:41 pm to Shiftyplus1
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What happened in the mid 60s to early 70s? The introduction of mass welfare. Federal and local government representatives literally told regular citizens and single mothers that they didn't have to marry or work, that the more kids you had, the more money Uncle Sam would give you. The democrats then switched tactics, and became soft Marxists that told blacks they could never succeed on their own because systemic racism was a boot on their collective necks. Worked like a charm. Millions now are slaves to government handouts, and dont even see how the very party they are voting for is holding them back.
just our white prison population is 450 per 100k, which is still way higher than any other first world country besides Russia
This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 6/17/20 at 11:48 pm to sgallo3
The prison system makes money. It’s really that simple. That’s why it’s so easy to pass laws. The more laws, the more arrests. Which leads to a more aggressive police. Which causes uprisings and more laws. Then more arrests. And finally more money.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 11:53 pm to DeafJam73
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The prison system makes money. It’s really that simple. That’s why it’s so easy to pass laws. The more laws, the more arrests. Which leads to a more aggressive police. Which causes uprisings and more laws. Then more arrests. And finally more money.
but they're criminals!
Posted on 6/17/20 at 11:57 pm to sgallo3
We started locking people up for decades for non violent drug offenses. We seem to think we can arrest our way out of our problems. Other countries take a more harm reduction approach, which means accepting that people will use drugs and making an informed decision on how to best minimize the negative consequences of the drug use. That could mean treatment for addicts instead of prison. Or it might mean decriminalizing certain drugs. It might mean decriminalizing prostitution. We don’t do that. That’s the long answer.
The short answer is that we don’t give a shite about the poor people who are disproportionately hosed by the current system. And they don’t vote, so that means that they have to voice. What I don’t understand is why we don’t look at the financial costs of incarceration (50k a year in some states) and collectively decide that is an inefficient use of taxpayer dollars.
The short answer is that we don’t give a shite about the poor people who are disproportionately hosed by the current system. And they don’t vote, so that means that they have to voice. What I don’t understand is why we don’t look at the financial costs of incarceration (50k a year in some states) and collectively decide that is an inefficient use of taxpayer dollars.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 12:06 am to pelicanpride
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. What I don’t understand is why we don’t look at the financial costs of incarceration (50k a year in some states) and collectively decide that is an inefficient use of taxpayer dollars.
that's my primary issue as well. it just seems like a huge negative for everyone, yet somehow continues to exist
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 12:06 am
Posted on 6/18/20 at 12:09 am to sgallo3
When was that super predators crime bill?
Posted on 6/18/20 at 12:10 am to thelawnwranglers
1996
Posted on 6/18/20 at 12:14 am to sgallo3
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but they're criminals
Right. The line between being a felon and not is pretty thin. You can be a felon for writing a bad check. Also, once you’re a felon, you’re kind of fricked. You probably had to pay for a lawyer, so your savings is gone. You didn’t have a real job in prison so you can’t replenish it. You likely lost your house or whatever else you owned. Oh, and you can’t get a decent job because you’re felon and no one wants to hire a felon. For the record, I am WELL aware that there are just shite bags out there who deserve to be in prison. I just think that once you serve your sentence, that record should not destroy your ability to have a decent life. But that’s getting off topic.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 12:15 am to sgallo3
That’s easy! Follow the money and who owns these prison systems. Clear as a crystal ball. Money talks
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 12:19 am
Posted on 6/18/20 at 12:21 am to pelicanpride
There aren't enough people in prison in La. How many times do we hear about a terrible crime and the perpetrator has a RAP sheet with dozens of charges and several convictions? Actual non-violent criminals in prison in La are relatively few. Though the instant offense may be nonviolent in nature, if you dig into their history there is an excellent chance you'll find violence.
I'm always hearing about letting out nonviolent offenders so I wonder, do yall want someone like Bernie Madoff released?
I'm always hearing about letting out nonviolent offenders so I wonder, do yall want someone like Bernie Madoff released?
Posted on 6/18/20 at 12:24 am to Jake88
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There aren't enough people in prison in La. How many times do we hear about a terrible crime and the perpetrator has a RAP sheet with dozens of charges and several convictions? Actual non-violent criminals in prison in La are relatively few. Though the instant offense may be nonviolent in nature, if you dig into their history there is an excellent chance you'll find violence.
So people in Louisiana are just the worst people in the world by 10 fold over those other countries?
Posted on 6/18/20 at 12:26 am to pelicanpride
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That could mean treatment for addicts instead of prison. Or it might mean decriminalizing certain drugs. It might mean decriminalizing prostitution. We don’t do that. That’s the long answer.
I think drug rehab instead of prison is a better alternative. I also think that possession of drugs in and of itself should not be illegal, however I think if you commit a crime while on drugs, it should not be used as a defense. I also think the government has no place in telling people whether or not they can sell sex. Pornography is legal. Why not prostitution? If it’s legalized, cops won’t be hampered with petty arrests and sex workers won’t be afraid to report rapes and other forms of attacks. You could also regulate it to ensure they’re not spreading AIDS or minors are being used. That would free up LEO to pursue human traffickers.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 12:30 am to sgallo3
quote:Do you live in La? Do you get out and about? I'm telling you that despite thousands of violent felons locked up in La there are thousands more out in public who will act out violently in the next year. I'm not worried about Iceland, it's not comparable.
So people in Louisiana are just the worst people in the world by 10 fold over those other countries?
Posted on 6/18/20 at 12:32 am to DeafJam73
quote:That is already utilized in La. Many parishes have "drug court" where the sorts of offenders you're talking about have their cases heard.
I think drug rehab instead of prison is a better alternative
Posted on 6/18/20 at 12:34 am to Jake88
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That is already utilized in La. Many parishes have "drug court" where the sorts of offenders you're talking about have their cases heard.
I didn’t know that. Does it work? At least sometimes?
Posted on 6/18/20 at 12:39 am to Jake88
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I'm not worried about Iceland, it's not comparable.
ok, how about mexico? we are 3.5x more likely to be criminals than the average mexican citizen?
Posted on 6/18/20 at 1:20 am to DeafJam73
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I didn’t know that. Does it work? At least sometimes?
something we are doing isn't working. if we have a system of rehabilitation in place that is failing then changes need to be made
Posted on 6/18/20 at 1:20 am to sgallo3
We all know JBE reads the OT. What else is there to do in our humid state on a Thursday night in June with the nation burning itself down?? I am very proud that the medical marijuana law stuff is moving forward in August Good start dude!!
But I implore you.. end the racial and class bias in this state forever. Let us have recreational marijuana! Please bro.. I am telling you straight up.. it will heal this state and if Louisiana can fix it.. so can America. Let us lead by example for once instead of being the dirty foot of the country. Let us be.
But I implore you.. end the racial and class bias in this state forever. Let us have recreational marijuana! Please bro.. I am telling you straight up.. it will heal this state and if Louisiana can fix it.. so can America. Let us lead by example for once instead of being the dirty foot of the country. Let us be.
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 1:22 am
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