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re: America/LA Prison Population. Explain these numbers in as non-partisan way as possible
Posted on 6/18/20 at 7:28 am to TigernMS12
Posted on 6/18/20 at 7:28 am to TigernMS12
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incarcerate way to many people who are simply addicted
It's pretty hard to land in PRISON and "addiction" isn't a crime. These people commit crimes relative to their addiction that land them in jail and after several "second chances" and court-ordered rehab/counseling, their continued crimes and an extended rap sheet land them in prison. Also, ending the war on drugs wouldn't end the violence relative to the drug trade. Ripoffs, retaliations, drive bys, robberies, and people freaking the frick out on dope (committing crimes) would still be occurring. Acting like rehab is some magical cure all unicorn is joke. That shite only works with ALOT of money and resources and the offender has to be 100 percent committed.
And to the guy saying criminalizing plants was the catalyst, that's fake news. It is very rare for Marijuana to be the sole reason for someone to be sent to prison. Would have to have multiple convictions and an extended rap sheet with other crimes nowadays.
I'm for Marijuana legalization but the argument is much like the BLM bullshite, take a few overreaching anecdotal cases and extend them out over an entire population to "prove" your point.
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 7:46 am
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 7:30 am to sgallo3
That pretty much sums it up. Unless you think we just started locking up innocent people for no reason. People actually commit violent crime in this country.
If you abolish all drug laws it’s not going to put much of a dent in the prison population. If all drugs are legal, street gangs are just going to retire and hang it up. They will move onto the next criminal activity that they can extort for profit.
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 7:35 am
Posted on 6/18/20 at 7:31 am to sgallo3
quote:Mexico where cartels run towns and police look the other way? Not a good comparison.
ok, how about mexico? we are 3.5x more likely to be criminals than the average mexican citizen?
Posted on 6/18/20 at 7:34 am to slackster
Most people with a criminal history that is 5 pages deep are in jail because they are not functional in society. If it isn’t drugs, it’d be something else. And I agree on legalization. I just do not think it’s the end all be all solution that many of you guys think.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 7:37 am to sgallo3
For-Profit Prisons have a strong lobby in state houses and Washington DC.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 7:41 am to sgallo3
End the war on drugs
Posted on 6/18/20 at 7:46 am to seawolf06
Can someone explain the rise in violent crime from 1960 to 1980?
We can’t just ignore a quadruple increase in violent crime like it has no impact on incarceration.
We can’t just ignore a quadruple increase in violent crime like it has no impact on incarceration.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 7:52 am to sgallo3
When did the spike start, early 1980s. What started in early 1980s, war on drugs. Has the war on drugs worked? If it was designed to incarcerate large numbers of otherwise peaceful people, then it worked like a charm. If it was designed to beef up police militarily in a never ending battle with an invisible enemy, then it also was a success. If it was designed to decrease drug usage and interdict drugs effectively, then it was a pure failure. Nancy Reagan is responsible for all of this, although I think her intentions were probably good.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 7:52 am to sgallo3
Louisiana does a shitty job rehabilitating inmates while they are in prison. They go to jail and learn how to be better criminals when we should be teaching them a trade and put them into programs that find them a job so they don’t have to resort to a criminal life when they are released.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 7:53 am to ELVIS U
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When did the spike start, early 1980s. What started in early 1980s, war on drugs.
Why did rates of violent crime rise 4x in the 20 years before the war on drugs?
Posted on 6/18/20 at 7:59 am to Cracker
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Don’t care
Not my problem
Do you live outside the country?
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:11 am to ELVIS U
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incarcerate large numbers of otherwise peaceful people
Talk about naive.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:11 am to WaWaWeeWa
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If you abolish all drug laws it’s not going to put much of a dent in the prison population.
Almost 1 in 6 inmates are there for drugs. It would literally decimate the prison population 1.5 times.
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 8:12 am
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:19 am to cuyahoga tiger
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The war on drugs
This
Look at the spike in the Federal numbers from 1971 on.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:24 am to sgallo3
Don’t care. I have my freedom and my white privilege. 
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:30 am to MoarKilometers
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Almost 1 in 6 inmates are there for drugs. It would literally decimate the prison population 1.5 times.
Drug TRAFFICKING.
They aren’t in there for simple possession, that’s less than 1% of all prisoners.
You want legal heroin, crack, and meth? If you say no, you haven’t solved a thing. Weed should be legal but when it is then criminals move into the next criminal enterprise.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:32 am to rintintin
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Look at the spike in the Federal numbers from 1971 on.
Everyone keeps ignoring the question
Why did violent crime quadruple between 1960 and 1980. The twenty years before the war on drugs.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:32 am to DeafJam73
quote:A big issue right now (specifically in Alabama) is that forgery/writing bad checks used to be a money maker for the District Attorney's in this State. People no longer write bad checks and that revenue stream dried up. So they created a system that is expensive as hell to fill up those DA coffers again. We have a "Second Chance Program" now that can bleed a person $7,500 to $10,000 for one DUI arrest.
Right. The line between being a felon and not is pretty thin. You can be a felon for writing a bad check. Also, once you’re a felon, you’re kind of fricked. You probably had to pay for a lawyer, so your savings is gone.
People that can afford to buy their way out of an arrest for DUI/paraphernalia/weed charges will pay an attorney $3,500-$5,000 + court fees of $1,000-$1,500 + entry into the "2nd Chance Program" of $500-$1,500 + drug testing fees of $75/mo + monitoring fees of $75/mo + the installation of a breathalizer in their car for $500 + monthly monitoring of the device of $50/mo.............
By the time the person finishes an average 6 month program, they've paid anywhere from $8,500 - $10,000 to have the charges dropped and then another $2,500 to have them expunged from their record.
The State court system is making bank off these programs and anyone that can afford to pay, and can steer clear of alcohol/drugs for 6 months are the prime targets for the program. Because with the check fraud now diminished, the State had to find another revenue stream.
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