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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:38 pm to RB10
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:38 pm to RB10
quote:That's rich.
You've brought nothing to the discussion. Move along.
Get called out for making things up, tell someone else they're bringing nothing to a discussion.
OT gonna OT
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 12:39 pm
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:41 pm to JJBTiger2012
I noticed how he dropped the phone and screamed like a girl. I hope the guy doesn't parade around like a badass after that scream.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:41 pm to UNO
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what i can't figure out is the three extra shots fired like 2 seconds after the initial two shots.
I'd imagine he was still alive hence the shots. Once you decide to shoot him, I'm not sure it really matters. You can argue that he could have been restrained after being shot, but I don't expect an officer to jump back on him after you just shot him because you believed he was going for a gun and is still alive.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:41 pm to RB10
Can we all agree that the only reason this is gathering any attention at all is because the perp was black and the cops were white?
Hell, last night a murder was committed by a black man in Zachary, yet don't see any outcry from the public. Picture of the suspect was on the news about an hour ago.
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Hell, last night a murder was committed by a black man in Zachary, yet don't see any outcry from the public. Picture of the suspect was on the news about an hour ago.
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:41 pm to BugAC
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if someone ever broke in my house, a lot more than a single round would leave the magazine.
Is that your way of saying you would shite yourself?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:41 pm to slackster
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Personally I think the officers' case is stronger if they did not know he was armed. I believe the "surprise" of the gun once on the ground leaves less room for criticism.
Not really. You are going to judge the cops more harshly had they known the guy had a gun and he was resisting arrest? I couldn't.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:42 pm to UNO
quote:
what i can't figure out is the three extra shots fired like 2 seconds after the initial two shots.
That's really the questionable part to me, as well.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:42 pm to BugAC
quote:Yes
Can we all agree that the only reason this is gathering any attention at all is because the perp was black and the cops were white?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:43 pm to Jester
quote:Same...
That's really the questionable part to me, as well.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:43 pm to BugAC
quote:
if someone ever broke in my house, a lot more than a single round would leave the magazine.
agreed, but i think this situation is a little different. there's no gray area if a dude breaks into your house.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:43 pm to BugAC
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I would assume, if you have to discharge your firearm, your goal is to shoot to kill
That assumption would be false for law enforcement.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:45 pm to UNO
quote:
what i can't figure out is the three extra shots fired like 2 seconds after the initial two shots.
you just shot the dude point blank in the chest. if he’s not dead, you probably have him under control, right?
Not at all, actually. If the guy was in fact reaching for the gun, he could still be reaching even after shot twice. Not everyone is immediately killed or completely incapacitated after two shots.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:45 pm to slackster
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By all accounts they were calm and rational up to point the decided to tackle him. If they knew he had a gun or suspected he had a gun, that doesn't seem like the next best step at that point
This is the problem. The taser is out, it didn't work. Now it's either pull your weapon or try and take the guy down.
If he pulls his weapon he gets blasted for excessive force and profiling a black man without real cause. I mean, he hadn't actually seen a weapon. Now he's got his gun out and is trying to tell a suspect who's already shown he won't comply, to comply. The most likely outcome of that scenario is the guy getting shot anyway.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:45 pm to Jester
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That's really the questionable part to me, as well.
This is what jumped out at me too.
At that range he was definitely at the very least incapacitated at the first point blank shot (assuming he didn't miss)
why the other shots?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:46 pm to BugAC
quote:
Can we all agree that the only reason this is gathering any attention at all is because the perp was black and the cops were white?
Mostly, but people love a video, especially an ambiguous one that can be spun to support either side. I think there are people who believe it was justified but can still concede that the video doesn't look great. It's sort of like seeing how the sausage is made.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:47 pm to shel311
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Get called out for making things up, tell someone else they're bringing nothing to a discussion.
What have I "made up"? I said it's likely the poster I'm discussing things with would bash this cop had he been quick to use his weapon based on his reaction to how this played out.
Prove that statement wrong.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:48 pm to Jester
quote:
That assumption would be false for law enforcement.
Technically you are correct.
From an HLN artilce
quote:
Brooks says that officers are not trained to "shoot to kill" but to shoot to "stop the threat." If an officer has made the decision to pull his or her weapon and fire, they are doing so to end the danger to themselves or the public. Officers are trained to pull out their gun only if there is a serious danger to themselves, their partners, or the public.
Why don't police "shoot to wound"?
Mike Brooks says that when officers are trained with firearms they are trained to shoot at "center of mass." Shooting at an arm or leg can be difficult in the situation, and may put bystanders or others at risk.
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:48 pm to UNO
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agreed, but i think this situation is a little different. there's no gray area if a dude breaks into your house.
I agree, and i'm not police officer, but i assume they train officers to fire more than once if they have to use their weapon.
If a police officer has to use his weapon, then i assume he thinks he's in mortal danger. If he's in mortal danger i would think SOP would be to continue firing until the perp stops moving.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:49 pm to Jester
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That's really the questionable part to me, as well.
Not trying to turn heel, but that part is the least of my concern. If you can justify the first two shots, I don't think the other two or three are really an issue.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:49 pm to SabiDojo
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Not at all, actually. If the guy was in fact reaching for the gun, he could still be reaching even after shot twice. Not everyone is immediately killed or completely incapacitated after two shots.
Movie's and TV always are a problem when things happen. Most people think things happen like on tv or in the movies.
They think someone falls dead and motionless the second a bullet hits them.
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