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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:10 am to UpToPar
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No.
Oh? What are the alternatives?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:12 am to chitiger91
You're wrong. Most of these posts are blaming the deceased because he threatened someone with a firearm, resisted arrest, didn't go down when tazed, and did I mention he had a gun??
His prior record may not matter in the moment, but it does after the fact when discussing online. Ignoring it is being willfully ignorant.
His prior record may not matter in the moment, but it does after the fact when discussing online. Ignoring it is being willfully ignorant.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:12 am to Lionnation1993
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Cops. I mean who wants to be a cop now. You can't even protect yourself from a felon without recieving backlash.
On the flipside, you get quite a bit of leeway against criminal prosecution of any sort. And your leave is always paid.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:12 am to cas4t
Holy shite who is this guy y'all are letting speak at this press conference? He's said ax(ask) twice in the first 2 minutes. Now 3. It's not even close...he's literally saying ax 
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:13 am to Salmon
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they have guns drawn on the guy and are yelling for him to drop the gun
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so we need to make up our minds if they knew he had a gun or didn't
Cant tell him to drop it if its not in his hands. You have to gain control of him and disarm him. Perfect scenario for a taser. When that failed, it became a hands on situation. They could have possibly drawn their weapons and commanded him to submit but if he says frick you and runs, now they have an even more dangerous situation.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:13 am to chitiger91
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Most of these comments are basically determining the deceased caused this based on his criminal background/color and that's wrong. So I said something
where you lying piece of race baiting shite?
Where is this being said?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There is legitimate reason to be wary.
Not in my experience, and even then, not complying is a bad way to handle it.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:13 am to bmy
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No -- I think the cop was scared.
This was early am Tuesday, right? The day after the Fourth?
The graveyard shift after the Fourth of July is one you'd avoid if you could. I'm thinking the more senior LEO took off for the holiday and wouldn't roll back on until later Tuesday.
These were likely less experienced personnel who were tired. And honestly, all the fireworks might fray your nerves a little if you are a cop. That's a guess, but I'd say it is a solid one.
ETA: Still looks like a wrongful shooting to me.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 11:15 am
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
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A lot of people do not trust the police or government enough to be compliant. This isn't limited to the hood.
I hate all forms of government. But, when they contact me I do not fight them. I politely handle what needs to be handled. I do not assume I can physically fight my way out of whatever situation I am in with a government even one I do not trust.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:14 am to bmy
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Now ask yourself what kind of shitstorm we would see if a citizen, fearing for his own life regardless of the adversaries intent, shot and killed a police officer. Especially outside of a store like this.
You do understand there's a pretty glaring difference, correct? Cops are ordered to go into life threatening situations. Citizens are not.
I'm very distrustful of cops myself, in general, but I'm not near ignorant enough to act like the shite you just posted is remotely the same thing.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 11:16 am
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
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So you trust government 100%? You never question authority?
I think every single person, to some extent, has some form of distrust in the government.
But, let's say you believe you are being wrongfully arrested. When has resisting that arrest EVER worked in the favor of the arrestee? There are systems in place where you can fight your wrongful arrest, no matter how broken they may be. I get that people don't trust police, but I don't see how you could ever be in a better situation after resisting arrest.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:14 am to lsu13lsu
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But, when they contact me I do not fight them. I politely handle what needs to be handled.
Too easy. You need to make it difficult.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:14 am to cas4t
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Whether he was going for the gun or not is irrelevant. If they even thought for a second he was, then it's a justified shooting IMO.
Again -- this legally gets cops off 99.9% of the time. Even when they frick up in a major way. All they have to do is say they were scared and then murder is okay?
They have authority and power and no checks or balances.
Police state
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:14 am to meauxjeaux2
There are definitely some passive racist comments ITT but for the most part people are discussing the facts.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:15 am to lsu13lsu
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I politely handle what needs to be handled. I do not assume I can physically fight my way out of whatever situation I am in with a government even one I do not trust.
It depends. If they're coming in my house without a warrant, we may have issues.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:16 am to Jester
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The cop feared for his life based on the actions of the armed suspect. It's a shame that he died, but Alton Sterling's actions were the biggest reason why he was shot.
I've never argued otherwise, but again, that doesn't mean this was a textbook example of dealing with this situation. I'd like to know more about the thought process behind the tackle. I'd like some sort of video evidence that shows things from the other side of the car, but we may never get that. Nothing is conclusive at this moment, but I HIGHLY doubt the officers were intent on killing a man. I think they felt threatened and that is really all that matters, but we should still have the conversation about whether or not the situation could have been handled better from the officers' standpoint. We already know what Sterling could/should have done.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:16 am to bmy
I agree with you overall but this has to be taken case by case. In this instance, I can not blame the police for protecting themselves and bystanders if they believed he was going for his gun. There's not much middle ground when you're dealing with a second or 2 to react.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:16 am to bmy
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Now ask yourself what kind of shitstorm we would see if a citizen, fearing for his own life regardless of the adversaries intent, shot and killed a police officer. Especially outside of a store like this.
Hed be hunted down and killed
You're going full retard.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:16 am to chitiger91
quote:FIFY
If I'm generalizing a group of people on a message board that's wrong, but it's a hell of a lot easier than an entire population. Most of these comments are basically determining the deceased caused this based on his actions and that's not appropriate to the narrative I want to push. So I said something
quote:You wouldn't give two shites about this man if he were white and/or the officers were black.
criminal background/color
Cops were called because a felon was brandishing a weapon and harassing people. Cops responded and he acted in a way that made them use non-lethal force. Following the non-lethal force he continued to fight the officers. Officers knew he had a weapon based on the call out and they felt given everything else that had transpired he was making a move for the weapon based on how he was fighting them. Tell me if race is pulled out of this equation how you would feel?
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