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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread

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Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:55 am to
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Because you are taking the word of the officers in the video as fact.


No, but thanks though.

Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:55 am to
I just don't believe the cops are going to yell "gun!" and then shoot him in front of all those people unless they thought they were in danger. Makes no sense.
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:55 am to
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I think I know who you are. Was this in a car?


Well, it started in a car. Were you in my car?
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:56 am to
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Cops are regular people, they make mistakes. Everyone should question authority.
They are regular people. But you should not question their authority. I'm not condoning the cops' actions, but at the same time put yourself in their shoes...a man is brandishing a weapon at a gas station, was tased for resisting arrest and is STILL resisting AND had a weapon in his pocket. Normal people don't respond to cops like that.

I think there is definitely a better way to handle this situation, but I'm not those two cops and I have no idea how difficult it must be to walk that thin line.
Posted by musick
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:56 am to
I have a feeling we know each other.

I could be wrong.

carry on.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:57 am to
if a gun is brandished in that situation, the cop is already toast.
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:57 am to
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Because you are taking the word of the officers in the video as fact.


In a situation like that, I doubt the cop would just scream "he's going for the gun" so that he could shoot someone.

Posted by bmy
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:58 am to
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Prove that he was not going for it.


This is your defense for a cop shooting a man dead

But seriously -- prove to me that there isn't an invisible dragon in my garage.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 10:59 am
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:58 am to
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This is absolute bullshite. Do you really think that cop was just itching to kill someone? You're using the classic argument from ignorance. The lack of evidence that something is true is not evidence that it is false.


Why does it have to be such extremes? Is it not plausible that officers misread his intent? Once again, they could have every right to fear for their life, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Sterling was actually threatening their life. Mistakes happen, particularly in heated moments such as this.

I don't believe the officers were itching to kill anyone. I think the officer who shot him was legitimately scared for his life given how the situation seems to play out on camera. However, none of that means that Sterling was actually reaching for his gun.
Posted by Asgard Device
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:59 am to
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At what point did the cops' body cams fall off, exactly?

Didn't they say they didn't have video because their body cams fell off?


Anyone?
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:59 am to
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I have a feeling we know each other.

I could be wrong.



Probably so. I'll proceed to stalk your posting history to try to figure it out.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:00 am to
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Anyone?


There's a whole thread about it, and it isn't the big deal you'd hope it is. Now go away.
Posted by munchman
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:00 am to
In 100% of these cases

The perp would still be alive if they:



COMPLIED ... with the lawful order.
THE END!!!!


Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:00 am to
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Why do you insult me instead of actually trying to counter anything I say?




What is insulting about my post? You obviously jumped back into the thread without understanding the context of the conversation that was taking place.
Posted by dagrippa
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:01 am to
Tell me both cops cameras didn't "fall off" please. Someone, anyone.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:01 am to
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What is insulting about my post? You obviously jumped back into the thread without understanding the context of the conversation that was taking place.




I understand the context just fine. There is no comply or die issue in this situation.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:01 am to
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This is your defense for a cop shooting a man dead

But seriously -- prove to me that there isn't an invisible dragon in my garage.



You missed the point. I was pointing out that you were using an argument from ignorance to support your stance.
Posted by rt3
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:02 am to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:02 am to
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Because you are taking the word of the officers in the video as fact.


No, but thanks though.


Lie. If you've seen the video on Twitter and you can unequivocally say that it was a good shooting, you are 100% taking the officers' words in the video as fact. The only way anything is conclusive on either side is by jumping to a conclusion that hasn't been proven at this point.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:03 am to
I think the proof is that he had a gun and was resisting arrest. I personally do not believe a cop is going to yell "he's going for a gun!!" just so he can blast some guy, right in front of all of those people. It makes no sense, especially in today's times. I think it's reasonable to assume the cops thought they were in danger considering they hadn't attempted to use deadly force earlier, even though it was known he had a weapon.
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