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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:25 am to cas4t
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Early on there were the standard "dindu nuffin" type responses. Pretty transparent. But overall I think people are just trying to debate what we have to work with.
that's not racist. That's OTist. Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:26 am to Bleeding purple
quote:Since when have cop haters been liberals?
Side 2 is a bunch of ignorant cop hating liberal blinded criminal apologists
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:27 am to Jester
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:28 am to slackster
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that doesn't mean this was a textbook example of dealing with this situation
This wasn't a textbook. It was a real-life situation. I think their actions in tackling him were 100% justifiable and can be easily explained as I did earlier.
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but we should still have the conversation about whether or not the situation could have been handled better from the officers' standpoint.
Tell me how YOU think it could have been handled better.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:28 am to Bleeding purple
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Side 1 is a bunch of boot licking redneck gun loving racists mindless sheep
I'm side 1, yet none of that applies to me. Except maybe racist. Well, at least the 2016 definition of racist.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:29 am to tylercsbn9
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Sterling may not have intended to reach for his gun
However the appearance to the officer is that he was. He was continuing to wrestle with the officer and in the process his hand was close to his pocket, where the firearm was. So it appeared he was in fact reaching thus the officer feared for his life.
Really shitty situation to put an officer in.
Yeah, the officer has to assume his life was in danger, but if he life wasn't in fact in danger, it is a sad situation. I'm not sure why so many people have a problem with that stance. I'd like to think more people were capable of saying the cops were justified but it sucks that it happened. Instead people need to degrade Sterling and embellish the facts to an extreme in order to prove their point.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:29 am to Bleeding purple
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Side 1 is a bunch of boot licking redneck gun loving racists mindless sheep
Side 2 is a bunch of ignorant cop hating liberal blinded criminal apologists
Only if someone wants them to be. I don't see sides being drawn except for a couple of people who expressed their bias.
I don't see enough to tell wtf happened before the shooting.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:29 am to bmy
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Hardly. Here is a great example
Wow, an article about a guy being given a trial in front of a jury of his peers after shooting a cop. Certainly sounds like a lynching to me....
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:31 am to slackster
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I'm not sure why so many people have a problem with that stance.
Because the second you make the decisions to put other peoples lives in danger, I have no reason to care about yours. Alton made his own decisions to resist, even after being tased. No one did that but him. I do not find it sad that he had to be put down.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:34 am to lsu13lsu
There is very little incentive for police departments to behave.
The police departments budget will not be affected one but by fallout from this. The law suit/insurance increase payouts will come out of tHe budgets of OTHER programs funded by the city-parish.
Hell they might even get some sweet overtime pay manning the streets during protests/riots. Good deal all-around for them because a large swath of people will support the police state no matter what.
The police departments budget will not be affected one but by fallout from this. The law suit/insurance increase payouts will come out of tHe budgets of OTHER programs funded by the city-parish.
Hell they might even get some sweet overtime pay manning the streets during protests/riots. Good deal all-around for them because a large swath of people will support the police state no matter what.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:35 am to Jester
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Tell me how YOU think it could have been handled better.
I don't know - I'm not a professional in these tactics - which is why I asked. Even without the benefit of hindsight, if you believe he has a gun and he hasn't responded to being tased twice, then tackling him doesn't seem like it is going to do much good either. If you're prepared to use deadly force if a gun presents itself, which they obviously were, I think they could/should have taken out their weapons and forced compliance in that manner. If that doesn't work, I'm not sure what I'd do next, but I'd like to give that a try first.
As I said earlier in the thread, tackling him eliminates any peaceful endings. At best you're going to be physical with a guy who has a gun on his person that you have not found yet. At worst he'll access the gun and kill you or try to access the gun and you'll kill him. There is no doubt in my mind that tackling him greatly increased the chances of the situation ending deadly. If you think otherwise, I'd welcome your argument.
Look, I want the cops to be 100% vindicated in their actions leading up to and including the shooting. Asking questions to reach that vindication doesn't mean I'm defending Sterling or condoning his actions.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:36 am to slackster
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Instead people need to degrade Sterling and embellish the facts to an extreme in order to prove their point.
Dude.....you need to take a step back from this.
Sterling wasn't some innocent party just trying to make a living and had the cops randomly target him. Apparently had had the cops called on him because he was brandishing a gun at people.
We don't need to degrade or embellish. The facts that have come out paint him in a bad enough light and that was before his arrest record was brought up.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:37 am to slackster
I agree with this. I would have pulled my gun out the second I stepped out the car. Pointed at the suspects feet; told him to lay on the ground with his hands on his head. At that point the ball is in his court. He will either comply or reach for his gun.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 11:38 am
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:39 am to slackster
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As I said earlier in the thread, tackling him eliminates any peaceful endings. At best you're going to be physical with a guy who has a gun on his person that you have not found yet. At worst he'll access the gun and kill you or try to access the gun and you'll kill him. There is no doubt in my mind that tackling him greatly increased the chances of the situation ending deadly. If you think otherwise, I'd welcome your argument.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks letting him stand up with the ability to grab the firearm freely is the better option here.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:39 am to slackster
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I don't know - I'm not a professional in these tactics - which is why I asked. Even without the benefit of hindsight, if you believe he has a gun and he hasn't responded to being tased twice, then tackling him doesn't seem like it is going to do much good either. If you're prepared to use deadly force if a gun presents itself, which they obviously were, I think they could/should have taken out their weapons and forced compliance in that manner. If that doesn't work, I'm not sure what I'd do next, but I'd like to give that a try first.
There has already been one trained LEO in this thread saying that they handled it how they should have.
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As I said earlier in the thread, tackling him eliminates any peaceful endings.
No, it really doesn't. If he stays belly down and surrenders his hands, they cuff him, remove the gun from his pocket, and process him like any other day.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:40 am to LNCHBOX
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There's a whole thread about it, and it isn't the big deal you'd hope it is. Now go away.
I don't see a thread about the officer's body cams. Can you help me out with a link? I was told at least one of these cops had a body cam on but it fell off. Is that true?
(That was before the bystander released his video)
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:40 am to Asgard Device
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There is very little incentive for police departments to behave.
Oh maybe to garner support from the public and make the job easier?
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The police departments budget will not be affected one but by fallout from this.
How can you say this and then say this?
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Hell they might even get some sweet overtime pay manning the streets during protests/riots
Do you think the budget set aside the money to pay this OT? Do you understand how budgets and paying OT work?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:40 am to crkelly91
Im not sure of whats been said in this thread, 50+ pages. TLDR
But what I do know is that yet again, another black man was killed. On first watch of the video, it looks terrible, almost like an execution.
But of course there's more to it, apparently the guy had a gun and the cops saw it. They feared for their life, and boom.
Because the video is not 100% clear, the cops will walk free. And race relations will worsen.
I can only imagine how many people jumped in this thread to call him a TPOS whl deserved to die.. . I really do hope for a world where all lives actually matter. INCLUDING black lives.
But what I do know is that yet again, another black man was killed. On first watch of the video, it looks terrible, almost like an execution.
But of course there's more to it, apparently the guy had a gun and the cops saw it. They feared for their life, and boom.
Because the video is not 100% clear, the cops will walk free. And race relations will worsen.
I can only imagine how many people jumped in this thread to call him a TPOS whl deserved to die.. . I really do hope for a world where all lives actually matter. INCLUDING black lives.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:42 am to BobLeeDagger
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He will either comply or reach for his gun.
Or take off running. And now you are chasing an armed man through the dark
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