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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread

Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:03 am to
Posted by gamatt53
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:03 am to
Selling CD's in 2016? Had to be a front for selling other things of the illegal nature right? No one still buys CD's
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:03 am to
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COMPLIED ... with the lawful order.
THE END!!!!


A lot of people do not trust the police or government enough to be compliant. This isn't limited to the hood.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:03 am to
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Lie.


Because it doesn't fit your narrative? Its' not a lie.

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If you've seen the video on Twitter and you can unequivocally say that it was a good shooting, you are 100% taking the officers' words in the video as fact


There is more to it than the video.

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The only way anything is conclusive on either side is by jumping to a conclusion that hasn't been proven at this point.


No, the shooting is conclusively justifiable according to that video and the surrounding information.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:04 am to
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A lot of people do not trust the police or government enough to be compliant.


A lot of people believe a lot of stupid things.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:04 am to
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This is absolute bullshite. Do you really think that cop was just itching to kill someone? You're using the classic argument from ignorance. The lack of evidence that something is true is not evidence that it is false.


No -- I think the cop was scared.

Four possible scenarios:
1) Cop failed to restrain perp and he attempted to reach for his gun.
2) Cop successfully restrained perp and his attempt to reach his gun was blocked.
3) Cop failed to restrain perp and he did not reach for his gun.
4) Cop successfully restrained perp and he did not reach for his gun.

I would say that only option #1 justifies killing. So the evidence would have to be there, from my view, that the perp actively reached for his gun intending to fire it.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:04 am to
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Why does it have to be such extremes? Is it not plausible that officers misread his intent? Once again, they could have every right to fear for their life, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Sterling was actually threatening their life. Mistakes happen, particularly in heated moments such as this.

I don't believe the officers were itching to kill anyone. I think the officer who shot him was legitimately scared for his life given how the situation seems to play out on camera. However, none of that means that Sterling was actually reaching for his gun.



Which justifies the shooting. The cop feared for his life based on the actions of the armed suspect. It's a shame that he died, but Alton Sterling's actions were the biggest reason why he was shot.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91836 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:06 am to
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In a situation like that, I doubt the cop would just scream "he's going for the gun" so that he could shoot someone.


:sigh:

I'm not suggesting the officers were intentionally deceiving about anything, but I'm not sure why people act like they're infallible in high intensity situations like this. This wouldn't be the first time an officer mistook someone's actions and it resulted in their death.

You may not think it is a huge jump to reach your conclusion, but it is a jump nonetheless.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:06 am to
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A lot of people believe a lot of stupid things.


So you trust government 100%? You never question authority?

Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72147 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:07 am to
Quick question- why would the cop lie on camera when yelling about going for the gun? Looking for an excuse to kill this man in front of all of those people and ruin his life?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:08 am to
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but I'm not sure why people act like they're infallible in high intensity situations like this.


Look, this fricker clearly resisted, even after nonlethal measures, and while illegally carrying a firearm. His death is justifiable, and that's the end of it.

You're arguing to argue. Which is fine, I like wasting time too. But you're being ridiculous.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:08 am to
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So you trust government 100%? You never question authority?



No, but that's no the same as being noncompliant just for shits and giggles now is it?
Posted by chitiger91
Lake Bluff IL
Member since Apr 2016
3120 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:08 am to
If I'm generalizing a group of people on a message board that's wrong, but it's a hell of a lot easier than an entire population. Most of these comments are basically determining the deceased caused this based on his criminal background/color and that's wrong. So I said something
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91836 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:09 am to
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I understand the context just fine. There is no comply or die issue in this situation.





Not sure why I'm still entertaining your schtick, but here you go...

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Hopefully people will watch this and think to themselves "Cops ain't no joke". "MaybeI should do what they ask"


That was the post to which I replied. That is the attitude that leads to comply or die. I should listen to cops because they can and will kill me if I don't.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22966 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:09 am to
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So the evidence would have to be there, from my view, that the perp actively reached for his gun intending to fire it.


No.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Member since Nov 2011
69066 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:09 am to
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Quick question- why would the cop lie on camera when yelling about going for the gun? Looking for an excuse to kill this man in front of all of those people and ruin his life?


Those cops' racism shows no bounds.
-Gary Chambers
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:09 am to
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Which justifies the shooting. The cop feared for his life based on the actions of the armed suspect


Now ask yourself what kind of shitstorm we would see if a citizen, fearing for his own life regardless of the adversaries intent, shot and killed a police officer. Especially outside of a store like this.

Hed be hunted down and killed
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72147 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:09 am to
Whether he was going for the gun or not is irrelevant. If they even thought for a second he was, then it's a justified shooting IMO. The guy was resisting arrest while also carrying. It's reasonable for the police to be a little on edge considering they were called in for him threatening someone with a gun, and resisting arrest.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
89066 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:10 am to
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Not sure why I'm still entertaining your schtick


What shtick?
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That was the post to which I replied. That is the attitude that leads to comply or die. I should listen to cops because they can and will kill me if I don't.


In this case they very well should think exactly that.
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
12171 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:10 am to
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Howie was involved in another shooting of a sex offender apparently.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 11:11 am
Posted by Lionnation1993
Member since Nov 2013
6103 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:10 am to
Sadly people don't think like this. They are quick to blame
Cops. I mean who wants to be a cop now. You can't even protect yourself from a felon without recieving backlash.
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