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re: Allegedly, Madison Brooks had sex the day before incident that caused that caused injuries
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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I mean that seems pretty likely
If the rumors are true and there is a video of her calling Carver an f-word for not having sex with her, who knows what those texts say.
Oh yeah, you are just presenting us factual nonbiased info huh?
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Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:21 am to tigerskin
It feels like lawyers are always jumping through the most insane logical hoops to come to an alternate conclusion.
"Well yes an eyewitness said that they had sex and there was video of it and she insulted him for not joining in and there was DNA on her genitals from one of the guys that the video guy said had sex with her....but have you considered that maybe none of that happened?"
"Well yes an eyewitness said that they had sex and there was video of it and she insulted him for not joining in and there was DNA on her genitals from one of the guys that the video guy said had sex with her....but have you considered that maybe none of that happened?"
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Isn't it to the benefit of the prosecution to remain out of the media's public eye when it comes to the evidence they have and to the benefit of the defense to put out any shred that would cast doubt?
That's why arguing over this case in particular is futile. The girl is going to be drug through the mud by the defense throughout the entire process, then the prosecution presents their case at trial.
That's why arguing over this case in particular is futile. The girl is going to be drug through the mud by the defense throughout the entire process, then the prosecution presents their case at trial.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:23 am to Ingeniero
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It feels like lawyers are always jumping through the most insane logical hoops to come to an alternate conclusion.
"Well yes an eyewitness said that they had sex and there was video of it and she insulted him for not joining in and there was DNA on her genitals from one of the guys that the video guy said had sex with her....but have you considered that maybe none of that happened?"
And then purposefully or unintentionally can’t see how stupid they sound (not sure which one is worse)
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:24 am to tigerskin
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Oh yeah, you are just presenting us factual nonbiased info huh?
Yes, I am.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
That is the laughable part
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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I mean the prosecution has to prove this without a reasonable alternative explanation.
DNA? no
Trauma? scant and likely not penetrative in nature
Alternative explanation? Will exist if this story checks out
The prosecution has the burden of showing how this reasonable alternative is not possible with the evidence they can present the jury.
Have their own words to the police about the sex occurring been tossed out?
Also is constantly being a contrarian on a message board just over compensating for your lack of confidence to actual argue cases in a court room?
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:31 am to dallastigers
Just to recap today’s posts from posters above:
“She had sex and anal sex the night before and texted about how much she loved the anal sex then she didn’t have any sex in the car backseat the next night even though 2 of the guys in the car said she did”
Got it
“She had sex and anal sex the night before and texted about how much she loved the anal sex then she didn’t have any sex in the car backseat the next night even though 2 of the guys in the car said she did”
Got it
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 10:31 am
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:31 am to dallastigers
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Have their own words to the police about the sex occurring been tossed out?
You're right.. Carver says the two guys had "consensual" sex with her. Washington told police he didn't but told a news station he did. I don't know if the other guy ever admitted anything.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:31 am to Ingeniero
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It feels like lawyers are always jumping through the most insane logical hoops to come to an alternate conclusion.
"Well yes an eyewitness said that they had sex and there was video of it and she insulted him for not joining in and there was DNA on her genitals from one of the guys that the video guy said had sex with her....but have you considered that maybe none of that happened?"
Exploring any and every available avenue to establish reasonable doubt is quite literally the defense attorney's job and professional responsibility.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:33 am to Ingeniero
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It feels like lawyers are always jumping through the most insane logical hoops to come to an alternate conclusion.
Because that's literally how our system is built, and has been for centuries
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:34 am to Indefatigable
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Exploring any and every available avenue to establish reasonable doubt is quite literally the defense attorney's job and professional responsibility.
On an anonymous internet message board??
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 10:37 am
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:35 am to Indefatigable
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Indefatigable
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SlowFlowPro
No I understand the process, some of it just approaches absurdity to a layman though. I don't know what is and isn't admissable, but to the average person I'm just saying that "actually nothing happened at all and everything was a made up coincidence" sounds silly to the average person.
Edit: I'm not faulting anyone for doing their job. Just prying at the strategy
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 10:36 am
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:39 am to Indefatigable
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Exploring any and every available avenue to establish reasonable doubt is quite literally the defense attorney's job and professional responsibility.
It's almost like some people don't want innocent until proven guilty in certain scenarios, and trust that the version of events in the arrest warrant/DA's case is 100% fair and accurate.
I personally have 1 criminal defense case as a first year associate, and hated what I had to do to defend my client, so I haven't done anymore since. To act like the lawyers representing these guys are terrible people for presenting a defense for their clients is just stupid.
The defendants are at minimum pieces of shite, but still Hillar Moore's job to prove beyond a reasonable doubt they are criminals under the laws of Louisiana as written, not as people want them to be.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:41 am to dallastigers
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Have their own words to the police about the sex occurring been tossed out?
No, but at this point that's about all that they have (that we know of)
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Also is constantly being a contrarian on a message board just over compensating for your lack of confidence to actual argue cases in a court room?
Wait what?
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:41 am to Ingeniero
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No I understand the process, some of it just approaches absurdity to a layman though. I don't know what is and isn't admissable, but to the average person I'm just saying that "actually nothing happened at all and everything was a made up coincidence" sounds silly to the average person.
What do you think is absurd?
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:42 am to lionward2014
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To act like the lawyers representing these guys are terrible people for presenting a defense for their clients is just stupid.
Nah, if you know they did what they did and just play games trying to act like the word “is” isn’t “is”, you are a piece of shite.
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 10:44 am
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:43 am to lionward2014
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It's almost like some people don't want innocent until proven guilty in certain scenarios, and trust that the version of events in the arrest warrant/DA's case is 100% fair and accurate
When pretty young white girls die the OT loses its shite and starts acting like a bunch of women.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:44 am to tigerskin
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Nah, if you know they did what they did and just play games trying to act like the word “is” isn’t “is”, you are a piece if shite.
I hope you're never wrongly accused of something.. Not saying these boys are, just sayin..
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:45 am to dallastigers
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On an anonymous internet message board??
Is this not a thread about the defense trying to establish reasonable doubt via another, prior sexual encounter?
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