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re: Alleged video of Ahmaud Arbery shooting leaks
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:30 am to Green Chili Tiger
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:30 am to Green Chili Tiger
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At his point your options are:
A: Try and run away again and maybe get shot in the back by the crazy fricker that just jumped out of his truck with a shotgun?
or
B: Charge the crazy fricker with the shotgun and try and disarm him.
I'm taking "B" 10/10 times.
It's insane that this is not readily apparent to everyone that has read this.
And what we do know for a fact, based on the video, is that Travis did not get out of the cab of the truck until Arbery was already running on the passenger side. And Travis continued to walk around the front of the truck to intercept him.
It's 100% plausible that your first reaction when you come around the front of a truck and the first thing you see is a guy that has a shotgun pointed at you that you might try to disarm him in self-defense.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 11:31 am
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Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:31 am to JohnnyKilroy
We can argue semantics all day. You want to argue that a supposed chase following a supposed burglary isn’t part of the burglary, you can have that point 
My point is I think it’s more incompetence and/or small town sheriff stuff than some 1940’s style coverup.
My point is I think it’s more incompetence and/or small town sheriff stuff than some 1940’s style coverup.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 11:32 am
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:33 am to The Pirate King
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You want to argue that a supposed chase following a supposed burglary
There is literally not a single shred of evidence of a burglary on the day he was killed.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:33 am to Green Chili Tiger
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McMichael stated they saw the unidentified male and shouted "stop, stop, we want to talk to you".
See, this part is just not true. You don't hear them yelling until Arbery is right at the truck.
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McMichael stated they pulled up beside the male and shouted stop again at which time Travis exited the truck with the shotgun.
This part is also definitely not true. They're waiting for him and Travis jumps out of the driver's side with the shotgun when Arbery tries to go around the passenger's side.
You can't really hear what they yell as Arbery gets to the truck, but even if it was "I want to talk to you," if someone yelled that at me while he jumped out of a truck and pointed a shotgun at me...I wouldn't really think he wanted to talk.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:34 am to Centinel
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Ya, I mean I'm about as staunch a 2nd Amendment/stand your ground baw that there is, but unless there's something we're all missing here, that was a straight up execution.
Agreed but IMO I feel they were going to try to scare him and then it went south real fast. With everything that is out there, there is absolutely no way these two are innocent. As one poster said earlier, if you think it's a burglary suspect, call the police and note the direction of travel. No way in hell am I chasing after someone because they are "assumed" to be a suspect in other crimes.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:34 am to The Pirate King
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We can argue semantics all day.
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My point is I think it’s more incompetence and/or small town sheriff stuff than some 1940’s style coverup.
Your point is based on feelings that are controverted by the facts.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:34 am to BluegrassBelle
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Bold faced lie. They were parked and waiting for him. The truck was parked when Travis exited.
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Another lie. There were clearly three shots. One at the front of the truck and two while tussling with the gun on the side of the truck (the second shot was fired off screen and you see the smoke from it).
I’m not sure what they really have to gain by stating they pulled up beside him rather than in front of him and by stating there were only 2 shots instead of 3, so I wouldn’t read too much into it.
I also don’t Arbery was simply out for a jog. Regardless, they fricked up.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:35 am to Pettifogger
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It's tempting to say "well we know why that is," but I think it's more complicated.
I don't disagree. It may be racially motivated, or it may just be these two shitbags saw an opportunity to be "heroes" and the guy just happened to be black.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:35 am to BluegrassBelle
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It's 100% plausible that your first reaction when you come around the front of a truck and the first thing you see is a guy that has a shotgun pointed at you that you might try to disarm him in self-defense.
I mean virtually everyone has heard the old "charge a gun, run from a knife" chestnut at some point on their life.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:37 am to The Pirate King
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My point is I think it’s more incompetence and/or small town sheriff stuff than some 1940’s style coverup.
And my point is that the discrepancy between what the mother was told, what was on the video, and when the police had the video evidence means that this should be investigated by some neutral body, because the order of events is certainly curious, if in fact they occurred that way. Why you seem so resistant to this is honestly extremely weird.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:37 am to Diseasefreeforall
I'm just starting to follow this story. Is there any evidence that Arbery actually committed a burglary?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:38 am to Rep520
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This part is also definitely not true. They're waiting for him and Travis jumps out of the driver's side with the shotgun when Arbery tries to go around the passenger's side.
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McMichael stated the unidentified male turned around and began running back the direction from which he came and "Roddy" attempted to block him which was unsuccessful
At this point I think it's safe to assume that "Roddy" is the one that filmed it.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:38 am to UpToPar
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I’m not sure what they really have to gain by stating they pulled up beside him rather than in front of him and by stating there were only 2 shots instead of 3, so I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Being stopped with guns out already is a huge difference than pulling up beside him and jumping out. You don't see how them waiting for him with a shotgun drawn is a big discrepancy?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:41 am to gumpinmizzou
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I'm just starting to follow this story. Is there any evidence that Arbery actually committed a burglary?
Zero.
Zilch.
Nada.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:41 am to Green Chili Tiger
If you were Arbery and were being turned around by guys with guns multiple times, you eventually feel like you have to act in self defense. It’s not an unreasonable reaction. It’s not the only reaction, but it’s part of fight or flight mentality.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:41 am to UpToPar
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I’m not sure what they really have to gain by stating they pulled up beside him rather than in front of him
Suggesting he is always in front of them implies he's in fact superhuman, as he can apparently outrun a their vehicle, and thus justifies their decision to confront him while armed.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:41 am to UpToPar
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I’m not sure what they really have to gain by stating they pulled up beside him rather than in front of him and by stating there were only 2 shots instead of 3, so I wouldn’t read too much into it.
It makes it seem like they just pulled up and Travis was getting out when Arbery attacked.
Instead of the truth, which was that they were sitting, waiting, had plenty of time, and that Arbery tried to jog around the passenger's side instead of coming at Travis.
The 2 shots instead of 3 is straightforward. He claimed 2 shots were fired during a struggle to conceal Travis fired the third shot before any struggle happened. Again, the point is to make it look like Arbery attacked instead of running around.
In truth, when Arbery ran around, Travis jumped out, got to the front of the truck and pointed the shotgun at Arbery before Arbery came at him. The truth seems pretty clear Arbery was trying to disarm him in self defense. In the lie version, Arbery charges and the shotgun goes off in a struggle.
The lie version appears basically what cops told Arbery's family, plus adding in it was during a burglary, which it obviously was not.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:42 am to Centinel
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I don't disagree. It may be racially motivated, or it may just be these two shitbags saw an opportunity to be "heroes" and the guy just happened to be black.
Yeah I agree. I was referring to reactions on here but this is part of it.
I've seen posts from well educated professionals talking about the guys being white supremacists. Unless I missed something, that's wild speculation.
But the race radicals can't just let the country join in condemning this, they have to inflict division by spreading misinformation to make it even more egregious than it is, and it happens in every such situation. And then people like me, who want white people who do bad things to be punished just like anyone else who breaks the law, have to fight the tendency to throw the baby out with the bathwater because these bad actors infect the discussion.
And it just shows that the purpose for these folks is division, it's not justice. If it were justice, you'd have these folks acknowledging and celebrating the reality that most of the public is aligned in condemnation. Of course, more often than not, that's what happens. And if people admitted that, then the world wouldn't need Benjamin Crump or Shaun King.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:43 am to Green Chili Tiger
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McMichael stated he and Travis got in the truck and drove down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive. McMichael stated when they arrived at the intersection of Satilla Drive and Holmes Drive, they saw the unidentified male running down Burford drive. McMichael then stated Travis drive down Burford and attempted to cut off the male. McMichael stated the unidentified male turned around and began running back the direction from which he came and "Roddy" attempted to block him which was unsuccessful. McMichael stated he then jumped into the bed of the truck and he and Travis continued to Holes in an attempt to intercept him.
McMichael stated they saw the unidentified male and shouted "stop, stop, we want to talk to you". McMichael stated they pulled up beside the male and shouted stop again at which time Travis exited the truck with the shotgun.
I had not seen this before. If this is true, then I don't see how in the world this is not fricking murder at all. Ahmaud in no way in hell initiated contact. He attempted to escape them twice to no avail. As the "flight or fight" phrase comes to mind. He first attempted flight, and they blocked him off. They stood in his path with guns drawn waiting on him. In a way, the only chance he had left was to fight.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:43 am to Green Chili Tiger
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Zero.
Zilch.
Nada.
That's what I figured. Unbelievable that these two guys haven't seen the inside of a cell yet.
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