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re: Alleged video of Ahmaud Arbery shooting leaks
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:10 am to LSU316
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:10 am to LSU316
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Naw...they chased the guy down in a truck and created a damn roadblock....if you can't see the differences between that and Zimmerman well I'm not sure what to tell you.
Yea I get the Zimmerman comparisons, but there are some key differences as well. Both parties saw a black guy and the neighborhood and figured he was up to no good. Both parties elected to follow said black guy. The similarities end there
Trayvon noticed Zim following him, so he circled back around to confront Zim. They got into a tussle, and we know what happens next.
Ahmaud was jogging on the street, these guys blocked him with their truck on the street and confronted him. Then the tussle happened.
I think what helped Zim the most is he wasnt the one who confronted Tray. He was supposedly just trying to watch from the shadows. These guys purposely engaged Ahmaud and had every intention to physically restrain him.
You don't get to claim self defense if you are the aggressor in an altercation. Thats like if you randomly punched a random guy in the mouth. The guy proceeds to beat your arse. You respond by pulling your gun out and shooting him. That's not self defense.
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Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:11 am to LSU316
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That's not what I'm seeing...I'm not saying ya'll are wrong but what I'm seeing is the guy that shoots the first shot is in front of the truck and it almost looks like the guys rounds off toward the shooter when he passes the front of the truck.....tell me what you see?
You're right, it was the guy on the ground who came around the front of the truck as the kid was running around the side to initiate contact. I was thinking it was the Dad.
While I didn't screen shot all the way through, here is the sequence of what happened through the third shot (I didn't screen shot afterward when he falls to the ground).
And this is around the wobbly camera that missed chunks.
So this is at the 8 second mark when we first see the truck:
11 second mark:
At 16 seconds he veers to run around the passenger side of the truck:
At 19 seconds:
At 20 second mark where first shot is very clearly heard on video:
Also at 20 seconds right after first shot:
At 21 seconds:
At 24 seconds when the second shot is heard on the video (you can see the smoke from the shot in the middle of the screen before the door):
At 28 seconds when the third shot is heard:
Things worth noting:
- The first shot happened after the driver physically got out of the car and came around to the front of the truck (that engagement likely gets any self-defense thrown out right there).
- The victim tried to avoid the truck by running around the passenger side to pass it.
- The truck was parked and waiting for the victim long before any suspected "charging" of the vehicle occurred. With an the man in the truck bed armed and waiting (at one point in the video you see him bobbling his gun).
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 9:19 am
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:12 am to 50_Tiger
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Point blank. Regardless of color in any situation you can’t just gun down joggers or people who you deem dangerous because your spidey sense is tingling.
If he were a pedo caught in the act, I would applaud these guys. From what I've know of this situation, the shooters probably deserve to be locked up forever.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:16 am to jordan21210
One thing I find interesting is how all these people who keep saying let the facts come out first, are the same ones making up facts to defend the three guys.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:18 am to jchamil
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All 3 came from the shotgun is why they all sound the same
Guess you are right from reading their story.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:19 am to bigpetedatiga
quote:I'm curious to see if they wait for the facts to come out on each and every situation before judging
One thing I find interesting is how all these people who keep saying let the facts come out first, are the same ones making up facts to defend the three guys.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:24 am to QJenk
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Yea I get the Zimmerman comparisons, but there are some key differences as well. Both parties saw a black guy and the neighborhood and figured he was up to no good. Both parties elected to follow said black guy. The similarities end there
I do appreciate the people pulling a rumored illegal weapon charge for Ahmaud or the thuggish photo of Martin to bluster their argument about who the guys really were. Then ignoring that Zim turned out to be a complete a-hole
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:24 am to bigpetedatiga
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One thing I find interesting is how all these people who keep saying let the facts come out first, are the same ones making up facts to defend the three guys.
No. That's your insecurity making things up.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:25 am to Dire Wolf
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I do appreciate the people pulling a rumored illegal weapon charge for Ahmaud or the thuggish photo of Martin to bluster their argument about who the guys really were. Then ignoring that Zim turned out to be a complete a-hole
Who's doing that?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:25 am to BluegrassBelle
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- The truck was parked and waiting for the victim long before any suspected "charging" of the vehicle occurred. With an the man in the truck bed armed and waiting (at one point in the video you see him bobbling his gun).
The fact the father says they had driven to catch up with Arbery and as they pulled alongside him, Arbery charged, is something I noticed immediately in what you say above.
They didn't have to catch Arbery, they were sitting and waiting for him. It seems fairly clear to me dad lied because it's a much more sympathetic story if they're trying to catch him and Arbery attacks and they need to shoot him in protection.
When you see them sitting and waiting on Arbery, then the son jump out with a shotgun when Arbery tries to go around, it's a very different story.
I also think it's really suspicious the father said there were two shots when you clearly hear three, and he says they were fired after they were struggling for the gun. Ahain, it seems to intentionally change the story to mask that son had the shotgun up and firing before any struggle for it.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:26 am to The Egg
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I'm curious to see if they wait for the facts to come out on each and every situation before judging
I'm curious if you do. Or if any of us do. One thing's for certain, this situation definitely presents some moral preening opportunities.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:27 am to QJenk
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I think what helped Zim the most is he wasnt the one who confronted Tray. He was supposedly just trying to watch from the shadows. These guys purposely engaged Ahmaud and had every intention to physically restrain him.
yeah the 2 situations aren't comparable
contrary to the myth, GZ didn't confront Trayvon Martin and he certainly never pulled a gun on him prior to Trayvon attacking
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:29 am to Rep520
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The fact the father says they had driven to catch up with Arbery and as they pulled alongside him, Arbery charged, is something I noticed immediately in what you say above.
They didn't have to catch Arbery, they were sitting and waiting for him. It seems fairly clear to me dad lied because it's a much more sympathetic story if they're trying to catch him and Arbery attacks and they need to shoot him in protection.
When you see them sitting and waiting on Arbery, then the son jump out with a shotgun when Arbery tries to go around, it's a very different story.
Right. It's all very clear on the video and what I screenshotted on it, that they were waiting for him and he did not "charge" the truck. He clearly tried to run around it.
It's also clear that the driver (son) doesn't even get out of the truck until Arbery is on the passenger side and attempting to run around the vehicle. The son has to physically get out of the truck, walk to the front of the truck to intercept Arbery.
That is when the first shot happened, not when he was trying to get the gun away from the son over next to the truck.
Even if he "charged" the son at the front of the truck, it's after the son gets out of the truck armed to engage the victim. There's no self-defense there.
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I also think it's really suspicious the father said there were two shots when you clearly hear three, and he says they were fired after they were struggling for the gun. Ahain, it seems to intentionally change the story to mask that son had the shotgun up and firing before any struggle for it.
Well, if a shot doesn't happen at the front of the truck when the son moves to engage Arbery then it's much easier to argue "self-defense" if the "first shot" doesn't happen until they are grappling over the gun when the actual second shot happened.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 9:31 am
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:31 am to bigpetedatiga
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One thing I find interesting is how all these people who keep saying let the facts come out first, are the same ones making up facts to defend the three guys.
Who exactly is doing this?
Ask a simple question, expect a simple answer. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.
From everything that is currently out there, there is no way to justify this whatsoever. They should be prosecuted and punished accordingly. End of story.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 10:28 am
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:32 am to Diseasefreeforall
That city is so screwed. I'd be moving out. The DA is gonna get sued and the city after this is done for negligence. The city will go bankrupt. The schools will close. It is really tragic what happens in small towns when you let jackasses wear a badge.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:32 am to Mo Jeaux
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I don’t know all the facts. Neither do you.
I just doubt the whole “modern lynching” and “just out for a jog” stories. I’ve already seen some allegations about the deceased that make me doubt the “jogging” story.
Doesn’t mean these guys didn’t commit some crime.
There are no facts that would make me support the two shooters, short of some proof that Ahmaud pulled a gun on them at some earlier time. I don't care if he was jogging or scoping out a place to rob, there is no room for vigilante justice in the US.
They probably didn't go out "looking to hunt a black man," but it is 99% certain that they wouldn't have acted this way if he was a white man.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:36 am to bigpetedatiga
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One thing I find interesting is how all these people who keep saying let the facts come out first, are the same ones making up facts to defend the three guys.
Exactly. I'm not going to read through all this crap, but one of the linked articles stated that he was in school learning to be an electrician. It's possible that the only reason he stepped into the house under construction was to look at the wiring they were doing. But a lot of people seem to believe there's no possible reason for him being there, other than to commit a crime.
I'm not saying he was or wasn't there to commit a crime. Based on what I'm seeing, whether or not he intended to commit a crime is irrelevant. Thinking about committing a crime is not a crime. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:36 am to The Egg
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I'm curious to see if they wait for the facts to come out on each and every situation before judging
The other thing is as opposed to Trayvon/Zimmerman, this incident has a video where we can hear and see it.
You just have a lot more objective information in this case because you can see it happen. It's a little odd to take a total wait and see approach with full video.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:37 am to Tigerhead
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Exactly.
Not exactly. I haven't seen anyone doing this.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:39 am to BluegrassBelle
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Well, if a shot doesn't happen at the front of the truck when the son moves to engage Arbery then it's much easier to argue "self-defense" if the "first shot" doesn't happen until they are grappling over the gun when the actual second shot happened.
I totally agree. I think you find a lot of the evidence of how wrong they were in how dad changed his story from the actual facts.
You usually do that when you know the actual facts make you look really bad.
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