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re: All electric Ford F-150 Lightning pre-orders hit 100K

Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:18 am to
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:18 am to
Cool truck for soyboys
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110709 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:19 am to
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EV chargers take a lot longer so you pull up and the only 2 around are full you are fricked for a long time.
I can't speak necessarily for, say, some of the super charging stations in California where there are way more Teslas, but the typical super chargers along interstates for road trips, this has never been an issue. Everywhere I've traveled, there's always way more than 2 stalls, and I'm not sure I've ever seen a station more than half full.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110709 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:21 am to
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That is a you problem.
How his family does a road trip isn't a "problem" that's just how they manage time on a road trip. There's no right or wrong. Obviously an hour is way on the high end, but I'd say for a family with 2+ youngish or younger kids, I'd guest most don't realize how much time they actually spend stopping at gas stations, for food, etc. on a road trip and would likely come out at least somewhere close to equal time if they were doing so while stopping at super chargers to charge.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
58857 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:24 am to
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
14345 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:33 am to
I guess if you want to spend half your day fricking around at gas stations or charging stations you may be right.
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
9428 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:44 am to
Imagine when thousands of Texans overload the grid charging their automobiles at the same time. This is gonna be a disaster.
Posted by stendulkar
Member since Aug 2012
767 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:48 am to
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Why are EVs the future?

How about the fact that O&G is a finite energy resource and we still need hydrocarbons to manufacture other things and we save those resources for that, while using EVs for transportation without too much of a downside for most people/applications?
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25325 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:49 am to
Nah they will just get a bunch of NG generators. Defeating the environmental appeal of an EV.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:00 pm to
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Imagine when thousands of Texans overload the grid charging their automobiles at the same time. This is gonna be a disaster.


Imagine stoping at a typical Buccees with 200+ gas pumps on a busy day and all those people now taking 20-30 minutes to charge, instead of 5-10 minutes to fill up.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110709 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:03 pm to
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Imagine stoping at a typical Buccees
No thanks, no matter what car I'm driving
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28704 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:09 pm to
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Which opens another point of discussion, for those that live in apartments, dorms, barracks, etc where they would have to budget and plan charging away from home into their schedules.
Group living is really the perfect arrangement for EV charging. It's cheaper per station to install dozens of chargers in rows than it is to install them at dozens of homes, and it's an added revenue stream for the complex.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35289 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:33 pm to
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300 is less than the smaller tank options.


The 300 mile range also assumes you’re hauling 1k pounds iirc.

This is first gen. I would be shocked if the electric version doesn’t match or straight up beat gas offerings in range by gen 2.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15036 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:40 pm to
I’m getting one of those things.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28704 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:43 pm to
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Imagine stoping at a typical Buccees with 200+ gas pumps on a busy day and all those people now taking 20-30 minutes to charge, instead of 5-10 minutes to fill up.
Imagine how much less busy Buccees would be if all those people could "fuel up" at home overnight instead?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28704 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:45 pm to
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Imagine when thousands of Texans overload the grid charging their automobiles at the same time. This is gonna be a disaster.
With the majority of charging taking place at night when there is ample extra capacity, EVs can actually ease the peak load during the day by powering homes directly when needed.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28704 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:52 pm to
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They don’t make sense for how we use our vehicles. We just took a 2,000mi road trip, driving 12 hrs each way, straight through. We couldn’t have done that in an EV. Vacation is to de-stress; an EV would have added stress.
Most families who take long de-stress vacations have two vehicles, I would imagine. The yearly fuel savings from an EV would pay for that entire vacation in the other vehicle.. gas, lodging, food, fun.
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What I do have a problem with is that EVs will only be viable through the significant use of my tax dollars….and I just don’t see it as necessary to forcefully speed up adoption.
Why not? We've done the same for fossil fuels for a century. Do you take issue with that?
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Tax payer funded infrastructure
Like what?
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for what? More torque? Faster acceleration? Why are EVs the future?
IMO, EVs are the future mostly for long-term energy independence and stability reasons, both at a national and individual level.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30107 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:54 pm to
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Comes with LED truck nuts? Asking for a friend.



They come in blue for guys with electric trucks

Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
5965 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:54 pm to
So, I hope they have mechanics lined up for this. Tesla has a network of folks for their vehicles.

Nothing on a Ford ever breaks, so it's probably not a big deal.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110709 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 1:00 pm to
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Imagine how much less busy Buccees would be if all those people could "fuel up" at home overnight instead?

I feel like we do this every single EV thread, and no one ever is able to grasp that. In a gas car, virtually 100% of getting gas is done at a gas station.

In an EV, I don't know the actual number, but I'd guess it's extremely small, way less than 50%, I'd guess very conservatively, of charging is done in public with the overwhelmingly majority of charging being done at home.
Posted by G2160
houston
Member since May 2013
1749 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 1:54 pm to
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with the overwhelmingly majority of charging being done at home.


At what percent of the population charging 4000lbs vehicle x 50miles/day @ up to 70mph including periods of stop and go (a lot of energy) does the energy demand (above and beyond every current existing demand) become unsustainable in populated areas?

We can upgrade energy infrastructure, but there will be a cost associated with it. At what point does this electricity cost exceed the equivalent price of gasoline? Keep in mind this cost of electricity will be applied across all home electricity use, including air conditioning, fridge, washer, etc...
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 1:57 pm
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