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re: All electric Ford F-150 Lightning pre-orders hit 100K
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:07 am to stendulkar
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:07 am to stendulkar
Only because you can finance the shite
Out of them
Out of them
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Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:13 am to shel311
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See if you follow me here... If your battery dies, your vehicle stops and can't continue to move forward or even backwards. Hope that helps.
If you were half as smart as you pretend you are here, you’d recommend a portable generator mod that will allow you to charge remotely.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:51 am to stendulkar
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The full-size, all-electric pickup truck starts at $39,974 and comes with standard all-wheel drive and a range of 230 miles per charge
I remember that number being advertised as 300 miles. Yeah frick that, that truck would always be on a charger.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:57 am to stelly1025
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I remember that number being advertised as 300 miles. Yeah frick that, that truck would always be on a charger.
230 is the standard battery 300 is the extended range battery.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 1:14 am to Obtuse1
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230 is the standard battery 300 is the extended range battery.
Either or that is still shite unless you can charge the battery to full in 10 minutes.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 1:29 am to stelly1025
quote:That's kind of the point. Charge every night, have a full battery to start each day. Never stop for gas, and cut your "fuel" bills in half.
that truck would always be on a charger.
If you regularly drive more than a couple hundred miles in a day, don't buy an EV right now. No need to get mad about it.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 1:42 am to stelly1025
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Either or that is still shite unless you can charge the battery to full in 10 minutes.
The reality is a very small segment of the population drives more than 300 miles in a day on a regular basis. The average person drives under 50 miles per day on average. For most people the vast majority of the time waking up to a fully charged EV would more than get them through the day and get them back to their garage where they will charge up for the next day.
There are a limited number of people for whom range anxiety is not just a red herring but an actually issue, but the number is pretty low. The number of people that use range is a non-starter argument for EVs is far higher than the number of people that would actually be impacted by it. Range anxiety is one of the most often cited issues but for most people that use it the real reason is actually different.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 2:16 am to Obtuse1
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The reality is a very small segment of the population drives more than 300 miles in a day on a regular basis. The average person drives under 50 miles per day on average. For most people the vast majority of the time waking up to a fully charged EV would more than get them through the day and get them back to their garage where they will charge up for the next day.
There are a limited number of people for whom range anxiety is not just a red herring but an actually issue, but the number is pretty low. The number of people that use range is a non-starter argument for EVs is far higher than the number of people that would actually be impacted by it. Range anxiety is one of the most often cited issues but for most people that use it the real reason is actually different.
Take a road trip where you have to put some miles on ,and it would be a real pain in the arse. Yeah most people won't hit 230-300 miles in a day ,but having the capability when you need it is better than oh you only have this range and it is multiple hours to charge. It seems like a hybrid would be a better solution.
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 6/12/21 at 2:30 am to Obtuse1
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For most people the vast majority of the time waking up to a fully charged EV would more than get them through the day
Which opens another point of discussion, for those that live in apartments, dorms, barracks, etc where they would have to budget and plan charging away from home into their schedules. As time goes on, the charging intervals are going to greatly increase we know that, but that is a whole bunch of folks that EV manufactures want in their cars right now.
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 2:31 am
Posted on 6/12/21 at 2:55 am to stelly1025
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Take a toad trip where you have to put some miles on ,and it would be a real pain in the arse. Yeah most people won't hit 230-300 miles in a day ,but having the capability when you need it is better than oh you only have this range and it is multiple hours to charge. It seems like a hybrid would be a better solution.
Ford already has a hybrid F150 so that option is there.
EVs require a cost-benefit analysis just like most things in life. If people are honest about the actual number of road trips they take and their length then for the vast majority of owners they will probably save more time at the pump in regular usage than they lose on the rare long road trip. EV charging is a very complex equation with no simple hard and fast rule but using Tesla charging times and a range of 300 miles (not exceeding 250 for saefty and pre-conditionning reason) if one makes a 600 miles road trip in a ICE vehicle and stops once for just fuel, drive through food and a bathroom break and averages 70 mph on the road you are looking at roughly 8:45. Doing the same in an EV with a range of 300m may take you more like 9:30 with two 30 minute stops instead of one 15 minute stop. The positive is a more leisurely stop where you can sit down and eat (fast food).
As EVs sit today they are not for everyone but regarding range they would be perfectly acceptable for likely over 80% of the population.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 3:11 am to Obtuse1
Obtuse, looks like this thread is winding down. Per our earlier discussion of Duntov & Mitchell the link below is a good read on some of the not so friendly exchanges between the two. I think it was actually worse than what is written. They didn't touch on the engine disagreements and there were a few.
Duntov & Mitchell
ETA: I'm going to delete this post later as I don't want to derail the original topic with this.
Duntov & Mitchell
ETA: I'm going to delete this post later as I don't want to derail the original topic with this.
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 3:19 am
Posted on 6/12/21 at 3:39 am to Traveler
TY for the link, I'll check it out.
I wouldn't worry about deleting the post, tOT is known for thread creep and it isn't like we are actually talking about the Lightning just rehashing EV range/charging issues for the 1000th time.
No mention so far of:
563hp with the extended range battery
775 lb ft of torque
mid 4s 0-60 (beats a Raptor and is dead on with a TRX)
a possible removable range extender motor that sits in the bed like a toolbox
can power the average house for ~3 days in a power failure
the frunk
off the grid power for tools
BlueCruise semi-autonomous driving mode
There is a lot going on here and 1st gen/1st year potential woes aside I think this would make a fantastic replacement for a ICE lt duty truck for a large segment of the truck driving population.
I wouldn't worry about deleting the post, tOT is known for thread creep and it isn't like we are actually talking about the Lightning just rehashing EV range/charging issues for the 1000th time.
No mention so far of:
563hp with the extended range battery
775 lb ft of torque
mid 4s 0-60 (beats a Raptor and is dead on with a TRX)
a possible removable range extender motor that sits in the bed like a toolbox
can power the average house for ~3 days in a power failure
the frunk
off the grid power for tools
BlueCruise semi-autonomous driving mode
There is a lot going on here and 1st gen/1st year potential woes aside I think this would make a fantastic replacement for a ICE lt duty truck for a large segment of the truck driving population.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 5:48 am to stendulkar
BS...
Posted on 6/12/21 at 6:09 am to Obtuse1
Why do I always get the feeling that the people who are freaking out about EV's are the same people who stop at 5 gas stations a day to buy a bottle of soda and candy bars.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 6:48 am to armsdealer
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doubt this thing would make it to the ramp with a boat from Baton Rouge.
Nah, it’ll make it the ramp without a problem. Just can’t get back home is all
Posted on 6/12/21 at 6:50 am to Tangineck
I don’t care what other people do with their money. If someone wants an EV, good for them.
They don’t make sense for how we use our vehicles. We just took a 2,000mi road trip, driving 12 hrs each way, straight through. We couldn’t have done that in an EV. Vacation is to de-stress; an EV would have added stress.
What I do have a problem with is that EVs will only be viable through the significant use of my tax dollars….and I just don’t see it as necessary to forcefully speed up adoption.
Tax payer funded infrastructure, the $7,500 tax credit mentioned in the article, etc, for what? More torque? Faster acceleration? Why are EVs the future?
They don’t make sense for how we use our vehicles. We just took a 2,000mi road trip, driving 12 hrs each way, straight through. We couldn’t have done that in an EV. Vacation is to de-stress; an EV would have added stress.
What I do have a problem with is that EVs will only be viable through the significant use of my tax dollars….and I just don’t see it as necessary to forcefully speed up adoption.
Tax payer funded infrastructure, the $7,500 tax credit mentioned in the article, etc, for what? More torque? Faster acceleration? Why are EVs the future?
Posted on 6/12/21 at 6:53 am to Obtuse1
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Doing the same in an EV with a range of 300m may take you more like 9:30 with two 30 minute stops instead of one 15 minute stop. The positive is a more leisurely stop where you can sit down and eat (fast food).
I have 3 kids and gas stops never only take 15 mins. Throw in food and you are talking closer to an hour to be honest. But, the real question is how easy it will be to fuel AND eat at the same time. Let’s not forget that a gas pump takes 5 mins to use and there are line occasionally. EV chargers take a lot longer so you pull up and the only 2 around are full you are fricked for a long time.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 6:56 am to LSUKTR
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We just took a 2,000mi road trip, driving 12 hrs each way, straight through.
Sure, but most people have 2 vehicles. Both don’t need to be EV’s certainly especially right now.
As far as tax credits go, O&G industry receives a lot of tax credits and tax money in general. So let’s not act like gas is clear of tax use.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 7:02 am to baldona
Until they have a 500-600 mile range it really will not be practical for most people that tow a boat or camper.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 7:10 am to stendulkar
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accelerate to 60 mph in roughly four and a half seconds,
It’s going to look like a NASCAR truck series with the baws headed to the plants at 5:30 am.
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 7:12 am
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