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re: Alexander the Great or ghengis khan
Posted on 4/25/19 at 10:00 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Posted on 4/25/19 at 10:00 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Half of Asia has Khan's DNA. Who's better now?
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Posted on 4/25/19 at 10:10 pm to OMLandshark
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Genghis. It’s simple: Alexander inherited his army. Genghis rose from nothing to gain his. This is a no-brainer.
GK did inherit the thousand year horse culture. Without it, is GK really that great?
Posted on 4/25/19 at 10:12 pm to LSUBanker
Again.. the fact that the mongols decided to rape almost every woman they came across in a conquered city or tribe does not mean he is a better military leader than Alexander. Alexander conquered a quarter of the Mongolia empire at its height (not just the part that was gained under ghengis) in only 8 years. It took the mongols multiple geratioms to conquer the lands they did. And again, Alexander actually defeated the forefathers of ghengis
Posted on 4/25/19 at 10:25 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Caesar had zero chance against Alexander.
Ceased knew how to mobilize. Alex went with brute force and numbers.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 10:28 pm to kciDAtaE
quote:you know very little of Alexander the Great. He was literally outnumbered in over half his battles
Alex went with brute force and numbers.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 10:30 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
shite, Ulysses Grant would have laid a 6 month siege to either one of them with 4 times the manpower and starved them out.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 10:30 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
For the legacies they left behind? Easily Alexander the Great. His civilization was the foundation of our modern world. The Mongols left very little behind in the way of impact.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 10:39 pm to OMLandshark
Genghis Khan was probably the baddest man who has ever drawn breath on this planet
Posted on 4/25/19 at 10:41 pm to Dire Wolf
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Bruh the mongols invaded Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
Genghis’ siege warfare is what separates him from the rest of the steppe greats
But Ghengis himself didn’t invade Eastern Europe. I think people are wrongly assuming it was Ghengis at the helm of the entire mongol conquests.
And fwiw, the mongols had Chinese engineers for sieges.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 10:43 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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The difference is Alexander was also a genius who was taught by either Plato or Socrates (can’t remember which)
Aristotle
Posted on 4/25/19 at 10:52 pm to biglego
quote:thanks I knew it was one of them
Aristotle
but yes the Macedonians were basically Greek and that is who time based their civilization on and who then int turn rome did, then Europe, which developed us into who we are today. Alexander is part of the roots that the culture we call the west is made of.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 11:12 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
To fight with???
Tough call. Because Khan would win. But he would kill me and frick my wife and daughters.
Alex would probably lose, but he would just try to seduce my brother.
Wait, is the question....whom I would fight with to win??
Khan. FTW. Damnit
Tough call. Because Khan would win. But he would kill me and frick my wife and daughters.
Alex would probably lose, but he would just try to seduce my brother.
Wait, is the question....whom I would fight with to win??
Khan. FTW. Damnit
Posted on 4/25/19 at 11:18 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Alexander would have nothing to learn from Temujin; Aristotle was his teacher. The Mongol hordes caught human history on a down part of the cycle; they had no serious competition. Their best victory was over the Teutonic Knights, and that was an large empire against an over sized religious order. One of their most embarrassing defeats included a bunch of slaves. The only time they fought a real military power (Japan) they got their asses handed to them.
The people of the step, did not advance technologically: the Keshiks weren't much different than the Avars or Huns, and the Romans (who at the time were NOT at their strongest) did not fall to these mounted armies.
Genghis Khan was not a great conqueror. He was a butcher; enemies had no choice but fight to the death or face extermination. Alexander knew better, but the time he faced Porus, he had as many Persians in his ranks as he did Balkan-folks. Being gracious and magnanimous in victory is a sign of strength, Alexander had that, the blacksmith had none.
The Mongols had great light cavalry. The Macedonians had great cavalry of their own (the Companions) and possibly the best version of the best hard counter against mounted armies: the phalanx. Sparta may have something to say about that, though.
Temujin's best hope is: luring Alexander far out into step and overstretching his lines. But Aristotle taught Alexander well, he probably wouldn't fall for it. Maybe, he could catch Alex when he's in a drunken rage. That would be their only hope of beating of Alexander's balanced, hardened, well trained and well paid army.
How would the Mongols fair against Vikings led by Ragnar?
How would the Mongols fair against Hannibal Barka and his War Elephants (and his badass Numidian Cavalry)?
How would the Mongols fair against Scipio Africanus (the guy who kicked him and his elephants asses)?
The people of the step, did not advance technologically: the Keshiks weren't much different than the Avars or Huns, and the Romans (who at the time were NOT at their strongest) did not fall to these mounted armies.
Genghis Khan was not a great conqueror. He was a butcher; enemies had no choice but fight to the death or face extermination. Alexander knew better, but the time he faced Porus, he had as many Persians in his ranks as he did Balkan-folks. Being gracious and magnanimous in victory is a sign of strength, Alexander had that, the blacksmith had none.
The Mongols had great light cavalry. The Macedonians had great cavalry of their own (the Companions) and possibly the best version of the best hard counter against mounted armies: the phalanx. Sparta may have something to say about that, though.
Temujin's best hope is: luring Alexander far out into step and overstretching his lines. But Aristotle taught Alexander well, he probably wouldn't fall for it. Maybe, he could catch Alex when he's in a drunken rage. That would be their only hope of beating of Alexander's balanced, hardened, well trained and well paid army.
How would the Mongols fair against Vikings led by Ragnar?
How would the Mongols fair against Hannibal Barka and his War Elephants (and his badass Numidian Cavalry)?
How would the Mongols fair against Scipio Africanus (the guy who kicked him and his elephants asses)?
Posted on 4/25/19 at 11:20 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Ghengis Khan was a foul mother fricker whose lack of empathy and compassion for human life resulted in so much death, it is said to have impacted the carbon footprint on the Earth during that time. Dan Carlin has a great series called “Wrath of the Khans.” Would suggest.
This post was edited on 4/25/19 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 4/26/19 at 12:07 am to Woodreaux
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Genghis Khan was not a great conqueror.
That’s a hot take
Posted on 4/26/19 at 6:49 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Khan. John Wayne played Ghengis Khan. Some nancy boy played Alexander.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 6:50 am to Woodreaux
Good points. People are really underselling Alexander’s mind I’m mmmm this thread. Yes it is true Alexander inherited his army but imagine the son who takes over as ceo then takes his fathers company to the Forbes top company in the world. Alexander conquered an area LARGER than the Greek known world before his time in less than a decade
Posted on 4/26/19 at 6:54 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
I would go with Alex just because I thing of John Kerry trying to sounded "educated" by saying "Jinjiss Khan".
Who knows? Maybe that is the pronunciation but you talk to your audience.
Who knows? Maybe that is the pronunciation but you talk to your audience.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 7:39 am to Kujo
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Who is still around, Mongols or Macedons? Kinda answers the question
But both peoples are still around.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:01 am to OMLandshark
quote:no that would be like taking away the bow
Then I will take away the spear from Alexander. See how that works out?
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