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re: Alexander the Great or ghengis khan
Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:09 am to kciDAtaE
Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:09 am to kciDAtaE
Caesar by far. He was usually heavily outnumbered whether it be Gauls or Romans. Genius at taking initiative. He was planning to wage war with Parthia when murdered.
Alexander's fighting methods were obsolete in the time of Caesar. The use of formations and weaponry was far superior to the Greek phalanx. Strong opponents used it against the Romans, it just no longer worked.
Alexander's fighting methods were obsolete in the time of Caesar. The use of formations and weaponry was far superior to the Greek phalanx. Strong opponents used it against the Romans, it just no longer worked.
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:14 am to blueboy
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Khan didn't really have tactics. He had a systemic advantage.
Are you retarded?
Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:15 am to kciDAtaE
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It depends on who has the bigger army and who they invading. Kahn invades tribes. Alex invades fortified positions.
Yeah, because all China, the Middle East, Russia, and Eastern Europe were simply tribes. Read a book sometime.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:16 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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The difference is Alexander was also a genius who was taught by either Plato or Socrates (can’t remember which).
Neither. It was Aristotle.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:23 am to OMLandshark
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Yeah, because all China, the Middle East, Russia, and Eastern Europe were simply tribes. Read a book sometime.
Ghengis himself did not conquer all that. His successors did.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:25 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Is Napoleon or Will Wade an option?
Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:27 am to LSU Alumnus
I think OP limited the choices to Alexander or Ghengis but I’ll go check again
Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:31 am to biglego
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Ghengis himself did not conquer all that. His successors did.
His generals made it out there in his lifetime though.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:33 am to OMLandshark
I acknowledged my mistake already in this thread, but I knew it was along that line of philosophy. The khans predecessors were defeated by Alexander, and I truly believe with the weapons of temujins time, Alexander would have defeated him as well. He was too smart and would tactically overwhelm the great khan.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:35 am to OMLandshark
Half of the mongol empire was taken by his grandson kublai. You are way overselling the amount of work ghengis did in his lifetime
Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:51 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
From the start of this thread, people have conflated Ghengis himself with the entire Mongol conquest, probably bc Ghengis is the only well known khan. If I recall, Ghengis himself focused only on China and Central Asia.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:57 am to biglego
Yep exactly. Alexander personally conquered lands from Greece to india
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:10 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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The khans predecessors were defeated by Alexander
They weren’t united under a single banner, so irrelevant. It’s like saying the Romans beat the Napoleon’s predecessors. Who cares?
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He was too smart and would tactically overwhelm the great khan.
Y’all are really underselling the ingenuity of the Great Khan.
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 9:13 am
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:11 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Half of the mongol empire was taken by his grandson kublai. You are way overselling the amount of work ghengis did in his lifetime
He still made it to Eastern Europe. He took about as much territory as possible within his lifetime not being born with an army. Alexander got a head start.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:11 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:12 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
I know that I get a little bit Genghis Khan, can't have you gettin' it on with nobody else but me
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:19 am to OMLandshark
quote:you sure about that? I’m pretty positive the farthest west ghengis got in his lifetime was when he conquered the khwarazham (sp?) empire which would put him controlling most of Pakistan, Afghanistan and parts of modern Iran and maybe Iraq. Still impressive but not quite to Europe. I can’t remember when they conquered modern turkey. I do believe he moved north and conquered or more likely simply consolidated voluntarily some of modern Russia and states such as modern Kazakhstan and so forth. Unless this is the area you are calling Eastern Europe which I still consider Central Asia which are at that point is just semantics and we would be in agreement.
He still made it to Eastern Europe
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:22 am to beerJeep
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Ever heard of the feigned retreat? Yeah, the mongols perfected it. Parthian shot? Again, with stirrups was beyond devastating.
What wiki page are you plagiarizing?quote:Oh, you're 12. Never mind.
and even if you have Alexander’s army the exact same equipment and a couple of years to prepare, they STILL would get their shite pushed in.
quote:Thank you for agreeing that their advantage wasn't tactical, but due to the fact that no one else had that many horsemen.
The mongols were born in the saddle, and died in the saddle
And half of Asia isn't descended from Ghengis, so y'all can quit parroting that myth.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:29 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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I’m pretty positive the farthest west ghengis got in his lifetime was when he conquered the khwarazham (sp?) empire which would put him controlling most of Pakistan, Afghanistan and parts of modern Iran and maybe Iraq.
His army made it to Eastern Europe within his lifetime. He himself wasn’t there and relied on his generals, and they only turned back once they heard about his death.
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simply consolidated voluntarily some of modern Russia and states such as modern Kazakhstan and so forth. Unless this is the area you are calling Eastern Europe which I still consider Central Asia which are at that point is just semantics and we would be in agreement.
I’m talking mostly about Russia here.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:36 am to OMLandshark
Ok yeah I knew about that I thought you were talking about the Mediterranean part of Europe we are on the same page then 
I could be mistaken but I believe he always had some Russians in his army. There were still large parts of Russia that were tribal at the time that allied with the khan
I could be mistaken but I believe he always had some Russians in his army. There were still large parts of Russia that were tribal at the time that allied with the khan
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