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re: Alec Baldwin Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter in ‘Rust’ Shooting (OP Updated)
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:33 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:33 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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There are safety protocols in films that are there to ensure loaded weapons are never available. The fact that these protocols were obviously and apparently blatantly ignored by the armorer and the production studio (which I believe is Alec Baldwin) are why he is and should be charged.
It's not just that, as I and others have already pointed out. The safety protocols also include not pointing firearms at other people on set (at all), not fricking around with firearms on set between takes to "practice," and for damn sure not pulling the trigger on a firearm while pointing it at close range at crew members on set between takes. Baldwin did all of those things while wearing his "actor hat," not his "producer hat."
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:34 pm to NATidefan
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Sure sounds like they were in the process of doing a scene and he was practicing.
Sure, but in this context the "practicing" he did made the shooting involuntary manslaughter, even before you get in to the producer part or the backstory about all the problems with guns on the set. What he did was plainly and basically unsafe: he drew a gun, pointed it at two crew members who were 2 feet away from the barrel, and then pulled the trigger. He didn't do this as part of a take, or rehearsing for a take; he did it on his own while the crew members were unaware and unprepared. It was a criminally reckless thing to do.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:35 pm to imjustafatkid
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He deserves more than that, but at least he's being charged with something.
Why?
I don't know the case so assuming he was given a gun with what he thought should be blanks
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:35 pm to Saint Alfonzo
18 Months sure seems like a light sentence. Is that per count? The story I read doesn`t give that detail.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:36 pm to Saint Alfonzo
What scene would he being pointing a gun at someone who is not in the scene?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:41 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Him whipping the gun out of his holster, pointing it at the cinematographer and pulling the trigger while saying "bang" isn't a rehearsal or practice, it's him fricking around with a loaded weapon to amuse himself and the crew.
It was still rehearsal for a scene and practice for the scene. It was just careless and unsafe.
It's like saying if someone gets accidently injured on a jobsite using a skill saw they weren't building a house, they were fricking around with a saw to amuse themselves.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:42 pm to TigerIron
I dont get how people think he shouldn't have been charged. The definition for manslaughter is reckless behavior causing the death of another person. He was producer so he's in charge of the set and he was the man holding the gun. I dont know much more of the facts than that but its enough to warrant an arrest. If more is proven they'll get a guilty verdict or a plea deal most likely.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:42 pm to thelawnwranglers
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Why?
Agree. Wealthy people would rather die than not be wealthy. Hope he's sued into oblivion instead of put in prison.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:43 pm to NATidefan
quote:If someone was fricking around on a job site and it resulted in a death, that person would rightfully be charged with negligent manslaughter.
It's like saying if someone gets accidently injured on a jobsite using a skill saw they weren't building a house, they were fricking around with a saw to amuse themselves.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:45 pm to NATidefan
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It's like saying if someone gets accidently injured on a jobsite using a skill saw they weren't building a house, they were fricking around with a saw to amuse themselves.
If someone is fricking around with a skill saw and kills someone, they absolutely deserve to face the consequences of that.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:46 pm to TigerIron
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Sure, but in this context the "practicing" he did made the shooting involuntary manslaughter, even before you get in to the producer part or the backstory about all the problems with guns on the set. What he did was plainly and basically unsafe: he drew a gun, pointed it at two crew members who were 2 feet away from the barrel, and then pulled the trigger. He didn't do this as part of a take, or rehearsing for a take; he did it on his own while the crew members were unaware and unprepared. It was a criminally reckless thing to do.
I never said he shouldnt be charged or held accountable.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:49 pm to NATidefan
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It's like saying if someone gets accidently injured on a jobsite using a skill saw they weren't building a house, they were fricking around with a saw to amuse themselves.
There was a job site in a small LA town like 20 years ago where the contractor didn't have proper safety measures in place and a hole collapsed. The person suffocated and died. The contractor was found not guilty by a jury (small-town politics) but was charged criminally. On the civil side, he was sued by the family and it bankrupted him as it should have.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:49 pm to Scruffy
Baldwin would have more of a case if he was just an actor many years ago.
But Baldwin was also the Producer or owner of the Production Company. In that at some point he loses the ability to ignorantly say things like I'm only an actor I didn't know to not point a gun at someone.
The producer should know things like, don't point a gun at someone and pull the trigger even if its blanks or practice rounds.
The guy has no excuse here, he fricked up on multiple levels.
But Baldwin was also the Producer or owner of the Production Company. In that at some point he loses the ability to ignorantly say things like I'm only an actor I didn't know to not point a gun at someone.
The producer should know things like, don't point a gun at someone and pull the trigger even if its blanks or practice rounds.
The guy has no excuse here, he fricked up on multiple levels.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:50 pm to Scruffy
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If someone was fricking around on a job site and it resulted in a death, that person would rightfully be charged with negligent manslaughter.
Lord, some of y'alls reading comprehension sucks.
If someone has an accident with a skilsaw, it doesn't necessarily mean they were fricking around. It also doesn't mean that they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions.
Same with this. He was shooting a scene and was careless. That doesn't mean he wasn't shooting a scene and was just fricking around.
It also doesn't mean he shouldn't be held accountable.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:51 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Are we wanting him to pay becuase a loudmouthed hardcore lib who goes off about gun control all the time,... and took a cowboy revolver, cocked the hammer, pointed it a a human and pulled the trigger, killing a person who was an employee of his.
He claims it was an accident and no doubt it was.
Doesn't excuse his actions or his guilt.
Conservative or liberal loon like Baldwin have to obey the same law.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:53 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Liberal trash privilege
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:55 pm to NATidefan
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This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:55 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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this board wants him charged because he's a liberal.
He’s far from liberal. He’s a totalitarian progressive.
But that’s not why we want to see him charged. He shot a gun at a colleague and killed her. His celebrity status and wealth shouldn’t shield him from justice.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:56 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
damn, definitely didn't think he'd be charged. i wonder if he takes it to trial
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:58 pm to GoT1de
quote:Ding ding ding
Conservative or liberal loon like Baldwin have to obey the same law.
The idea of standing up for principled views is meaningless when the only ones who benefit are the wealthy.
I may, personally, agree that it was an accident and he probably shouldn’t be charged, but every other American out there would not receive this “benefit of the doubt” crap.
So, neither should he.
He should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 12:59 pm
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