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re: Alabama Power tells the 76° AC environmentalists to hold their really hot beer

Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:12 pm to
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33251 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:12 pm to
Word

Team Carrier here also
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27590 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:15 pm to
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That’s bullshite.


Not totally. It’s a case by case thing. Only 80 degrees is a bit of a stretch. But there are definitely some days in summer where my house is 74-75 and it is not budging. That poor bastard can run all day. Doesn’t matter.

That’s with our old Trane we got with the house and now with our new unit.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
1155 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:21 pm to
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Not totally. It’s a case by case thing. Only 80 degrees is a bit of a stretch. But there are definitely some days in summer where my house is 74-75 and it is not budging. That poor bastard can run all day. Doesn’t matter.

That’s with our old Trane we got with the house and now with our new unit.


Something's wrong. You should be getting very nearly 20 degree delta T from your air intake to you air vents. Have you checked your ducting for leaks? Is the house really poorly insulated and/or has a lot of west/south facing glass?
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31319 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:23 pm to
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Ya see......what you need to do is get yourself a couple of $500 window units instead of one crappy $12,000 central unit.



Absolutely
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25177 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:28 pm to
bullshite. My house has no problem holding the thermostat at 72 even in the worst of the heat all last summer without struggling. Unit actually shuts off for a while because it gets at or below what the thermostat was set to.

And I know my AC thermostat is accurate because I can turn on a digital meat thermometer and before I stick it in the meat, it shows the same temp as I have the thermostat set at.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
176134 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:32 pm to
Nobody is cooling their inside air by more than 20 degrees
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 8:33 pm
Posted by au7342
Member since May 2020
429 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:32 pm to
He's partially correct but he should know better.

It's true that AC's are designed to lower the air temp by 20 degrees and that number might be even higher now with the new freon formulations (edit) and larger coils.

Also, it depends on how well your house is insulated and if the units are sized correctly.

If your indoor temp started at 100 and the AC lowered it to 80, the next pass would lower the room air to 60, to 40, to 20, etc. That's how you can keep your indoor temp at 72 on a 100 degree day and how data centers maintain ~65 degrees. Of course you will use more electricity to get to lower temps.

My new upstairs unit air is so cold, the moisture in the air condenses on the two registers closest to the unit. The old inefficient undersized builder grade units struggled to keep the house at 77 on the hottest days.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 8:34 pm
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216143 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:34 pm to
Insulation is the key…..
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35013 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:43 pm to
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Call me trashy all you want but that’s exactly what we have. One in the den, one for the kitchen and living room, and one for each 3 bedrooms. I promise you if those air conditioners in the bedrooms are going it’s well below 20 degrees than the outside temperature.


If my HOA would allow it I’d totally have window units for my bedroom. Something about the air those things put out just hits right.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8079 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:43 pm to
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Nobody is cooling their inside air by more than 20 degrees


This is the key.

The 20 degree split is from the return to the coldest supply nearest the unit. A healthy system should be able to supply air 20 degrees colder than what is going in the return.

Now if your A/C went out and your house gets up to 100 degrees then yes, all the unit can do is supply 80 degree air until it gets the built up heat out.

In places like Arizona and Saudi Arabia, I can assure you they design for 70 degree interior temp in the heat of summer. The units are larger than here in LA because it regularly gets above 100-120 in those places.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
23833 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:51 pm to
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Meaning, if it’s 100 degrees outside, most homes will only get down to around 80 degrees.


bullshite completely. Size the AC correctly and it will get as cold as you want it to.

I had my house that had a geothermal system down below 60 for a weekend because I wanted to run the shite out the geothermal system and get the humidity super low.

It was well over 95 then.

Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15266 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:54 pm to
if your AC runs for 1 hour non stop, it probably isn't getting your home any colder
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35037 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:55 pm to
I’d like to see their entire headquarters turned up higher than that. They are pieces of shite.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30032 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:56 pm to
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NEvermind the fact your refrigerator and freezer somehow pull off this feat, this defying physics miracle, on a daily basis, and has been for nearly a hundred years.


That is a horrible way to make your point. The average refrigerator has about 30 BTUs of cooling capacity per cubic foot, and is very well insulated and sealed. Compare that to a 1500ftsq house with 8-foot ceilings (12k cuft) and the equivalent cooling capacity would be 30 tons seven to ten times the normal amount for that size of home.
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15266 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:57 pm to
it's probably due to the window unit not blowing the cool air through a bunch of ducts sitting in a 140deg attic
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11202 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:01 pm to
This ain’t 2002.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29506 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:02 pm to
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I built a walk in cooler that uses a regular window unit AC. I can hold the temp to 34° when it is 95° outside.


I really want to do this and make a walk in refrigerator... That I mainly use to hang out in.
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
8520 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:08 pm to
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Nobody is cooling their inside air by more than 20 degrees


In a bedroom with a 10 year old window unit blasting on high and the door shut its without a doubt more than a 20 degrees difference compared to the outside temperature. That’s a fact.
Posted by baxter12
BATON ROUGE
Member since Nov 2012
521 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:09 pm to
We replaced our old big unit 2 years ago Move from 14 to 16 sear 5 ton.
We added insulation in attic and above upstairs bonus room .

We actually keep ac downstairs on 76 all day ( it’s plenty comfortable)then have it set to lower in increments of 2 degrees every 2 hours at 7,9 and 11 and keep it at 70 until next morning at 8am

Upstairs unit is older York unit we are just letting it run till it kicks the bucket although I’m sure if we just got a new 2 Ton for upstairs it would cool
Much more efficiently!
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29506 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:11 pm to
I had it 68 in the house yesterday, it was 97 outside.

With no ceiling insulation during construction it held 70 degrees for a full month
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