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re: Alabama cops shoots man exiting his vehicle with his wallet
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:03 am to Pecker
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:03 am to Pecker
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He's obviously stupid and/or not well-trained. Why would you want to give someone who is either stupid or not well-trained a reason to shoot you?
This goes out the window due to the fact that it wasn't during a traffic stop.
I could see a very, very small reason if this was a traffic stop, but even then it is asinine. The fact that he was responding to said guys call makes it even worse.
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:03 am to Pecker
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The actions of the cop aren't consistent with your statement.
That's not how this works. Sometimes people, cops included, do things without a reason.
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Unless you truly believe the officer just intended to shoot someone that day. Is that what you believe? The officer was just in the mood to shoot someone?
Just because he wasn't given a reason to shoot someone doesn't mean he felt like shooting someone that day. Your logic is as flawed as it gets.
The guy didn't give him any reason to shoot him, and the cop undoubtedly didn't feel like shooting someone that day. Both of those can be true.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:04 am to Pavoloco83
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I sit in the car. Hands on the wheel and I dont move unless told to.
Until you're ordered to step out of your vehicle with your hands in the air and as soon as you do you're shot
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:05 am to cas4t
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Just because he wasn't given a reason to shoot someone doesn't mean he felt like shooting someone that day. Your logic is as flawed as it gets.
The guy didn't give him any reason to shoot him, and the cop undoubtedly didn't feel like shooting someone that day. Both of those can be true.
I'm asserting that the most logical assumption is that the officer felt threatened. Whether it was reasonable for the officer to feel that way is irrelevant. The notion that he DID feel that way is all that i'm saying.
If you disagree with my logic then tell me logically why he shot the man.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 10:06 am
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:06 am to Pecker
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I didn't say it was illogical. I believe the most logical way possible would be for him to either not exit the vehicle, or to wait for the officer to walk up to the vehicle. Do you agree?
Sure, but this is just arguing for the sake of arguing because you don't want to admit you were wrong and posted a ridiculous opinion before reading the article. You're not even making a point.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:06 am to Pecker
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the officer just intended to shoot someone that day.
Come on... That's like blaming a wild hyena for eating someone alive. Did the hyena really want to just kill someone or was he just hungry and didn't know any better?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:06 am to cas4t
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Sure, but this is just arguing for the sake of arguing because you don't want to admit you were wrong and posted a ridiculous opinion before reading the article. You're not even making a point.
I'm asserting that the most logical assumption is that the officer felt threatened. Whether it was reasonable for the officer to feel that way is irrelevant. The notion that he DID feel that way is all that i'm saying.
If you disagree with my logic then tell me logically why he shot the man.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:07 am to Pecker
He doesn't have to have a logical reason to shoot him. That's what you're missing.
Again, you're arguing to argue at this point.
Again, you're arguing to argue at this point.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:07 am to cas4t
Ronald Gasser was indicted with second-degree murder
This cop walks
Tell me what the difference is
This cop walks
Tell me what the difference is
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:09 am to cas4t
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He doesn't have to have a logical reason to shoot him. That's what you're missing.
Again, you're arguing to argue at this point.
You don't think there was a reason he shot the man? That's what you're suggesting. You don't think the officer used his judgement to shoot the man exiting the vehicle as opposed to pulling out his gun and just shooting at cars that are driving by? You don't think that circumstances at the scene led to the man being shot?
Is that what you're telling me? He just pulled out his gun and started shooting and the guy happened to be in the line of fire?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:10 am to Pecker
quote:It's the only thing that's relevant considering "reasonable" fear for his life is a requirement by law for him to shoot.
Whether it was reasonable for the officer to feel that way is irrelevant.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:10 am to Pecker
Dude, I said there was no LOGICAL reason.
You simplifying this unbecoming. Yes, the cop felt threatened. That doesn't make it logical. It certainly isn't a logical reason to fire your weapon. We've even had a former LEO say as much in this very thread.
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He just pulled out his gun and started shooting and the guy happened to be in the line of fire?
You simplifying this unbecoming. Yes, the cop felt threatened. That doesn't make it logical. It certainly isn't a logical reason to fire your weapon. We've even had a former LEO say as much in this very thread.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:11 am to Pecker
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You don't think there was a reason he shot the man
Maybe he felt threatened by a wallet?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:11 am to Pecker
Getting out of your vehicle with you hands in the air is reason enough to be shot?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:11 am to Pecker
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. If you're arrested by a dumb cop for no reason, you have a better chance of fighting it and pleading your case to a judge after the fact.
Well, this is just wrong.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:13 am to cas4t
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Yes, the cop felt threatened. That doesn't make it logical.
Yes it does. It gives the officer a reason to shoot the man. It appears to have been a poor reason, but that's not relevant. Based on his poor training and/or poor judgement, he shot the man.
What I'm saying is that when dealing with police officers you should do everything in your power to limit the instances where their judgement determines whether or not you get shot.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:13 am to tgrbaitn08
His argument at this point is that the cop had a reason, and to call it a non logical reason means we are implying the cop just felt like shooting someone that day. 
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:13 am to magildachunks
I don't understand how there is any discussion in this thread other than that cop should be in jail.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:13 am to meauxjeaux2
frick that cop. Throw the book at him.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:13 am to meauxjeaux2
Read an article about this yesterday. The guy who was shot was an Air Force vet, the other police who arrived on the scene checked on the officer who pulled the trigger first because he was "distraught", they kept yelling at him to stop moving (writhing in pain after taking a few rounds is TOTALLY threatening), and the poor guy went unattended for 5 minutes. The cop was cleared of any wrong doing and when the guy tried to sue for damages, the case was dismissed.
Cops have a wildly difficult job, but it gets really old and really ridiculous seeing this shite happen time and again.
Cops have a wildly difficult job, but it gets really old and really ridiculous seeing this shite happen time and again.
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