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re: Alabama cops shoots man exiting his vehicle with his wallet
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:59 am to Nado Jenkins83
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:59 am to Nado Jenkins83
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maybe that who the cop was aiming for.
1/2 isn't bad shooting. That made up for hitting his feet on the first shot.
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:59 am to NYNolaguy1
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But the likelihood of him being charged by the DA after being held justified in civil court is exactly 0.
the DA is involved in civil cases?
nevermind i misread your comment...how does a shooting get ruled justified by a civil court though?
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:59 am to tke857
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The cops are fricked.
yeah however many months of paid leave will totally make them learn their lesson. Amazing that no matter how incompetent you are it's almost impossible to be fired from a govt job
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:59 am to Pecker
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Yes. It would have been better had all parties been in their vehicles.
but one wasn't
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:59 am to Pecker
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I'm saying that the evidence available can be shown to support the officers claim that he feared for his life because he did not know what the victim had in his hand.
Doesn't work like that. Have to have four elements to justify deadly force: ability, opportunity, imminent jeopardy, and preclusion. He didn't even have the first one. (Not being sure what he has in his hand isn't the answer... You have to make sure. Might not be always fair, but that's their job.)
Terrible shoot. Wasn't justified at all, and I stand up for law enforcement on this board.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:00 pm to Topwater Trout
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DA is involved in civil cases?
Nope. He does have to get re-elected though, and he works with the same cops that give him convictions.
He wouldn't be very popular for bringing a case against a cop for a shooting that was held as justified in civil court.
But the way a jury sees it and the way an appellate Court sees it is very different.
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how does a shooting get ruled justified by a civil court though?
By bringing a federal lawsuit against the defendants on the basis there's a civil rights violation. The cop was granted qualified immunity to this claim based on the fact that it was "reasonable" to conclude that the cop feared for his life. Typically these are "1983" cases
Which is total bullshite because a mental patient would have come to the same conclusion and the court would have agreed regardless.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:01 pm to shel311
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doubt his "ability to reason" matters, only whether it was actually reasonable.
It does matter because the information we have available is not the information he had available. If he had the information available that we have, I assert that the man would not have been shot. That's the crux of the argument in favor of the officer.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:02 pm to zsav77
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Doesn't work like that. Have to have four elements to justify deadly force: ability, opportunity, imminent jeopardy, and preclusion. He didn't even have the first one. (Not being sure what he has in his hand isn't the answer... You have to make sure. Might not be always fair, but that's their job.)
Terrible shoot. Wasn't justified at all, and I stand up for law enforcement on this board.
This is a good argument. Why do you think a judge justified the shooting then?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:02 pm to meauxjeaux2
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but one wasn't
And he's lucky he wasn't shot???
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:03 pm to meauxjeaux2
First of he's an idiot for getting out of the truck the way he did.
Next, As he's getting out his right hand quickly comes up[ like he drawing or aiming something. (Shot's start)
Finally he hits the ground and whips his right hand around as if aiming again and even bring his left hand together as if aiming. (Shot's continue)
Looks like suicide by cop to me. Even with out the audio of the police commands.
I'd defiantly acquit based on this evidence.
Next, As he's getting out his right hand quickly comes up[ like he drawing or aiming something. (Shot's start)
Finally he hits the ground and whips his right hand around as if aiming again and even bring his left hand together as if aiming. (Shot's continue)
Looks like suicide by cop to me. Even with out the audio of the police commands.
I'd defiantly acquit based on this evidence.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:03 pm to Pecker
quote:Also a moronic, scummy pig?
Why do you think a judge justified the shooting then?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:04 pm to Blue Velvet
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Also a moronic, scummy pig?
I think there's a lot of corruption but I believe the video supports the officer more than many here want to believe.
The funny thing in all of this is that I'm not a strong supporter of law enforcement for the sake of supporting them.
I do when I think it makes sense and I don't when I think they do something stupid. I tend to lean to the side of assuming they aren't very smart and often act stupidly.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:04 pm to NYNolaguy1
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The difference between getting pulled over and robbed is getting smaller every week.
It is what it is. Do I wish it were different? Of course. But I'll keep it real in the courtroom after the fact opposed to during a confrontation with LE.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:05 pm to NYNolaguy1
did the civil case have some other ruling that influenced the jurors to conclude this shooting was justified? I can't see 12 jurors ruling this was justified and not awarding the victim some compensation...but i guess its possible
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:06 pm to Snipe
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Looks like suicide by cop to me.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:06 pm to TigerChief10
The thing is they probably got nothing because this WAS KEPT SECRET FOR 3 frickING YEARS.THIS IS WGY COPS SHOULD NOT BE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES. THEYRE ABLE TO BREAK THE LAW WITH ALMOST COMPLETE IMMUNITY
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:07 pm to Pecker
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there's a lot of corruption but I believe the video supports the officer more than many here want to believe.
The only way I can see the court agreeing with the conclusion that the officer felt in danger of his life is if they see him as a very low IQ individual. Typically it's easier to make this argument if you know the person acting in good faith is a total retard.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:07 pm to meauxjeaux2
Did he die?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:07 pm to Pecker
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why aren't you refuting them with ease?
Every argument you've made has been refuted with ease multiple times, but your dumb arse keeps going round and round and moving the goalposts. I'm just about convinced you're a Chicken altar trying to drum up clicks on a dreary Monday.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:07 pm to TigerChief10
No, not fricked. This was 3 years ago and the officer was cleared of any wrongdoing.
I hope he's at least on permanent desk duty because this incident shows he's too trigger-happy to attend a minor accident.
I hope he's at least on permanent desk duty because this incident shows he's too trigger-happy to attend a minor accident.
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