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re: Alabama cops shoots man exiting his vehicle with his wallet

Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:47 am to
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:47 am to
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he clearly overreacted. that likely eliminates intent issues

that doesn't mean he's absolved from potential criminal liability


It doesn't inherently absolve him from criminal liability, but there isn't a preponderance of evidence to the contrary. The video doesn't show malice on the part of the officer, and it could be used to show that the officer had no idea what the black object was in the guys hand.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:47 am to
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Idk, the guy just had a wallet in his hand.

Maybe the officer was all hopped up on mountain dew. Maybe he'd just had an argument with his wife and was on edge. Maybe he's a veteran and PTSD kicked in. We don't know. What we do know is that the cop wrongfully shot a man.
it's obvious that he thought the wallet was a threat to his life.

next time, carry money clips, boys...no wallet needed.
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:47 am to
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No shite?
Your only proof of that is that the cop shot.


What more evidence do you need. I said from the beginning he should have stayed in the car. It took this long for us to agree?
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:48 am to
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apparently the logical thing to do is assume a cop is going to shoot you over holding your wallet.


You're not very good at this.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:49 am to
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but there isn't a preponderance of evidence to the contrary.

do you know what these words mean? and if you do, why are you using them in the wrong sphere?

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The video doesn't show malice on the part of the officer,

and that's irrelevant if we're not relying on criminal actions that require intent

gross negligence is typically the standard and malice is not necessary
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:49 am to
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said from the beginning he should have stayed in the car



You aren't even right about that
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:49 am to
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I said from the beginning he should have stayed in the car. It took this long for us to agree?
Because I don't think he should have stayed in his car. Just like I don't think people killed by drunk drivers should just stay home.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 11:50 am
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:49 am to
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I've refuted all of your retardness. The cop argued that he reasonably feared for his life. That's not up for debate here.




You know what else is not up for debate? That a judge ruled the shooting justified.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:49 am to
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For the last three years, Davidson was hoping to seek justice against the man who shot him for no reason. However, as is the case in so many other police shootings, the shooting was found to be justified — because the cop expressed a justifiable reason to fear for his life


I love how the cops get to investigate themselves and just so happen to find themselves innocent like 98% of the time.
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:49 am to
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Idk, the guy just had a wallet in his hand.


So make a reasonable assumption.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:50 am to
OJ got off too.


Your point?
Posted by Pecker
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Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:50 am to
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Because I don't think he should have stayed in his car.


You think the odds of his being shot inside the car are the same as his exiting the vehicle?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:50 am to
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do you know what these words mean? and if you do, why are you using them in the wrong sphere?

quote:

and that's irrelevant if we're not relying on criminal actions that require intent

gross negligence is typically the standard and malice is not necessary



SFP is really just shooting down all of these arguments.

Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:50 am to
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OJ got off too.


Your point?




Do you think the circumstances of that case are equivalent to what we have here?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:51 am to
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You think the odds of his being shot inside the car are the same as his exiting the vehicle?

I believe at the time he exited the car, he thought the odds of him being shot were 0% either way.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87991 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:52 am to
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You know what else is not up for debate? That a judge ruled the shooting justified.
Are you assuming that judges are always right?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:52 am to
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Do you think the circumstances of that case are equivalent to what we have here?

I thought OJ was not innocent and I think the cop was not justified to shoot the guy, so yea, lots of similarities.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 11:52 am
Posted by zsav77
Member since Oct 2011
6280 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:52 am to
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Did that not happen in the OP?


Not what I was commenting on. The poster I responded to thinks that happens with every cop interaction, with a history of being a troll.

As far as the OP goes, obviously a terrible shoot and the cop should've been prosecuted and in prison.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87991 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:52 am to
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You think the odds of his being shot inside the car are the same as his exiting the vehicle?
My odds of dying today are much less if I stay home instead of drive to work but I still do it.
Posted by RhodeDawg
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Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:52 am to
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Your point?


He doesn't have one. He thinks he is a debate professional.

I'm just sitting back and watching Slo Flo shred his ignorant arse.
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