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Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:23 am to BoKnowsAUOne
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Or icing on one wing and less or none on the other.
Do private planes like this not go through de-icing?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:25 am to LSUFanHouston
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Do private planes like this not go through de-icing?
I would assume all of them do (and are required to do so) as the laws of physics do not care who owns the plane.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 10:26 am
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:29 am to H2O Tiger
Sad Update: 7 killed and one seriously injured.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:32 am to SloaneRanger
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Big difference between a firm like this and ambulance chasers.
They just have a bigger building. They’re still leeches and legal extortionists. They get rich by wealth transfer from people and companies that actually produce things in this world. And we all get screwed because of them.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:38 am to RedFoxx
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Why the hell are they trying to fly in this storm?
Plan continuous bias aka get-there-itis
Trying to get to your destination for a specific time or event and ignoring warning signs such as weather to delay your flight.
this is pretty normal day to day winter ops, a little snow and ice turns our streets into chaos down south but that doesn’t necessarily carry over to winter jet ops
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:40 am to LSUFanHouston
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Do private planes like this not go through de-icing?
"ADS-B data indicates that the aircraft landed at Bangor International Airport (BGR/KBGR) at 18:09 LT after a flight from William P. Hobby Airport (HOU/KHOU), Houston, Texas. It parked at the General Aviation Terminal at 18:15.
The crew communicated with ground ops by radio requesting Type 1 & Type 4 de-ice & anti-ice fluid application. At 19:13 the aircraft taxied to the de-icing pad, where it remained from 19:17 to 19:36. It taxied to runway 33 and commenced the takeoff at 19:44."
Source
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:41 am to LSUFanHouston
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Do private planes like this not go through de-icing?
If they want to pay for it. It’s not like there’s anyone there checking to make sure they do it though.
It doesn’t necessarily having to be an icing issue though. Could’ve been a rejected takeoff for a bunch of different reasons and the brakes didn’t work too well because of ice/snow/slush on the runway.
Or maybe the de-ice guy was cold and tired and forgot to de-ice one of the wings. So one wing was clean and the other iced up causing the airplane to roll.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:50 am to Jmcc64
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how does a plane end up on its back on the runway? gust of wind?
Wing contamination (ice) followed by wing stall as they try and rotate
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:54 am to jcaz
Wing contamination (ice) followed by wing stall as they try and rotate wasn’t that a problem in earlier models of FA18s
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:03 am to RanchoLaPuerto
Sounds like the AAY pilot has some serious info he doesn’t want on the radios.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:10 am to The Boat
Having done the Bangor stop as a passenger on way to Europe in a similar company plane, it’s also easiest because you can get off the plane and go to the FBO (food/bathroom/comms). That said there’s not much going on at Bangor generally and especially when a lot of commercial flights have been cancelled. So maybe the de-icing or runway maintenance were not up to standard. Also, unless you are with a very professional private flight department, PJ’s aren’t as safe as American and European airlines in my opinion. Different decisions get made sometimes…..
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:21 am to CaptainsWafer
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Miami is also 300 miles closer to Houston.
Why does this matter? No matter where you refuel you’re starting with a full tank but in Miami you’re an additional 1000 miles away.
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But I’d assume they could have stopped over somewhere.
In the middle of the Atlantic?
I didn't consider that going through Miami wouldn't have enough fuel/ range to go to France from Miami. My bad.
Again, the assumption is Paris. I'd think its just as if not more likely they were flying to the French Alps to ski? I've just seen headed to "France"?
My original point was simply that if they were just saving distance, going through Miami saves 300 miles so its only 700 miles difference.
It makes sense stopping in the US saves time with Customs. But I'd think on a plane like that flying into the private airports the Customs would take less time than it takes to refuel and not a huge issue. Maybe its cheaper?
It just seems pretty damn dumb to fly into a mega storm when you are flying private and have the option to avoid it.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:21 am to Fletch1985
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it’s also easiest because you can get off the plane and go to the FBO (food/bathroom/comms).
Pretty sure you can do that in Gander too. Or at least you could 20+ years ago when I did it.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:24 am to RanchoLaPuerto
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According to PPRN, this aircraft is very sensitive to ANY wing contamination. Even a little bit of ice can bring it down.
It doesn't look like they even made it to the end of the runway, is that normal for an ice issue? I know the small jets like that can take off with much less than the full runway but I just figured they'd be able to fly a little ways.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:24 am to SloaneRanger
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Why try to fly out of Bangor, ME in the middle of this kind of weather system?
Gotta get there itis causes more private aviation crashes than all other reasons.
Plane owner ignores flight crews caution and makes them take off. The smile on a flight crews face when I’m in an FBO and tell the captain he’s in charge of take off decisions, not me during IMC flying conditions is priceless. We all want to “get there” I want to be alive when I do.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:24 am to SloaneRanger
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Gander
have to deal with customs/immigration there, makes more sense to stop in where they did, besides, St Johns would be a better option, nursing school there
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:30 am to H2O Tiger
Well that’s awful.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:35 am to 777Tiger
Yes. No one wants to deal with immigration/customs in order to not violate the #1 rule of being a passenger on a PJ.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:38 am to baldona
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It doesn't look like they even made it to the end of the runway, is that normal for an ice issue? I know the small jets like that can take off with much less than the full runway but I just figured they'd be able to fly a little ways
on the Aviation Safety Network report it's claimed that the the plane reached 152 knots. is that rotate speed? maybe. depends on a lot of factors. maybe pulled back and asymmetric wing lift flipped it?
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 11:50 am
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