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re: Aircraft Owned by Major Texas Boosters Crashes in Maine (6 killed)

Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:28 pm to
Posted by DustyDinkleman
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

JFK (New York): Runway 13R/31L is often cited as one of the longest on the East Coast, around 14,500 ft, primarily for heavy cargo/long-haul, notes Aviation Stack Exchange and Bigorre.org.


While this is true, not many 91 or 135 carriers are going to choose JFK for a fueling stop. That’s some of the most congested airspace in the world, and fuel prices at the FBO are astronomical as a deterrent.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

FK (New York): Runway 13R/31L is often cited as one of the longest on the East Coast, around 14,500 ft, primarily for heavy cargo/long-haul, notes Aviation Stack Exchange and Bigorre.org.


While this is true, not many 91 or 135 carriers are going to choose JFK for a fueling stop. That’s some of the most congested airspace in the world, and fuel prices at the FBO are astronomical as a deterrent.



runway length isn't much of a factor here, logistically, Bangor is a better fuel stop for aircraft with limited endurance in either direction
Posted by diat150
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:00 pm to


is this the lady?

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This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 2:01 pm
Posted by RedFoxx
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:02 pm to
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They were only in Bangor for an hour. I have no knowledge of icing on planes but would only being at the airport for an hour cause alot of ice accumulation?


The critical time of snow/ice accumulation is after de-icing has occurred and before takeoff (holdover time).

The pilots requested type I and type IV de-icing fluid. That should give them a safe holdover time of at least 30 minutes for the weather at the time.

8 minutes passed between de-icing being complete and the beginning of takeoff.
Posted by RanchoLaPuerto
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:14 pm to
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The pilots requested type I and type IV de-icing fluid. That should give them a safe holdover time of at least 30 minutes for the weather at the time. 8 minutes passed between de-icing being complete and the beginning of takeoff.


Bad fluid?
Posted by MAROON
Houston
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:20 pm to
yes that is her. Very pretty woman.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

runway length isn't much of a factor here, logistically, Bangor is a better fuel stop for aircraft with limited endurance in either direction


They posted that in response to my post about the plane crashing before it left the end of the runway
Posted by CapitalTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:28 pm to
There seems to be some confusion between FAA/NTSB and the Bangor Airport.

FAA is reporting 8 on the plane with one survivor. Bangor airport is reporting 6 on plane and 6 deceased.

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Posted by MAROON
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

quote:
The pilots requested type I and type IV de-icing fluid. That should give them a safe holdover time of at least 30 minutes for the weather at the time. 8 minutes passed between de-icing being complete and the beginning of takeoff.


Bad fluid?


an Allegiant airlines plane tried to take off right before them but turned back and the pilot told a breeze airline pilot :

After informing air traffic control that they intended to try de-icing again, the Allegiant crew was contacted by a Breeze crew asking whether they had failed a pre-flight contamination check.

“We were at end of runway but the visibility dropped and it stuck to us like there was nothing there,” the Allegiant crew responded, seemingly suggesting the visibility delay reduced the effectiveness of the de-icing.

LINK

Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:29 pm to
Other than old age, cancer and heart disease it seems like small airplane crashes are a disproportionately likely way for rich people to die.

Posted by CapitalTiger
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Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:37 pm to
If the information from the commercial airlines is accurate, seems like bad fluid (is that even a thing), poor application, or massive decrease in conditions in minutes.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24206 posts
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

an Allegiant airlines plane tried to take off right before them but turned back and the pilot told a breeze airline pilot :

After informing air traffic control that they intended to try de-icing again, the Allegiant crew was contacted by a Breeze crew asking whether they had failed a pre-flight contamination check.


Fricking A. Pilots may have saved a lot of lives. Throws the idea that it was "normal weather" for that airport out.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:39 pm to
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Throws the idea that it was "normal weather" for that airport out.


just googled the wx at the time of their takeoff last night, honestly looks pretty "normal" for them this time of the year
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:57 pm to
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Other than old age, cancer and heart disease

All related.
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:22 pm to
They recently got caught by the 5th Circuit citing a fake case made up by AI.






Posted by RanchoLaPuerto
Jena
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:33 pm to
Good response to a bad situation.
Posted by RanchoLaPuerto
Jena
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

the information from the commercial airlines is accurate, seems like bad fluid (is that even a thing), poor application, or massive decrease in conditions in minutes.


Freezing fog? That shite is nasty.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
92260 posts
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:35 pm to
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Good response to a bad situation


why not AI? seems like you can find case law to support any argument if you keep digging
Posted by RanchoLaPuerto
Jena
Member since Aug 2023
2150 posts
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:37 pm to
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why not AI?


Because it hallucinates cases. See above.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
92260 posts
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:37 pm to
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Because it hallucinates cases. See above.


like many lawyers?
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