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re: Air Traffic Control Washouts Whine about “Hazing”

Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17711 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:00 pm to
What do you think about Class A airspace being managed by AI? It could free up more controllers to handle approaches and towers
Posted by Beauw
Blanchard
Member since Sep 2007
4223 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:07 pm to
Our society is comprised of pussies who are perpetual victims.... The greatest generation stormed the beaches of Normandy to give us this, sad.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55459 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:11 pm to
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I would have to imagine that this is one of those fields that's absolutely ripe for being one of the first on the chopping block with AI looming, no?
yes, definitely. But pilots will be before them. I did nothing in the left seat that a robot couldn't have done. Of course they'll always need some humans.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
30248 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:14 pm to
Air traffic control is not for the faint of heart. If you can’t hack it, you will wash out quickly. Go stock grocery store shelves.
This post was edited on 7/28/25 at 12:46 pm
Posted by m57
Flyover Country
Member since May 2017
2587 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:41 pm to
Current FAA ATC here. It’s more than 20%
Posted by TygerLyfe
Member since May 2023
3945 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:43 pm to
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feint of heart.
Posted by RanchoLaPuerto
Jena
Member since Aug 2023
2143 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:58 pm to
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What do you think about Class A airspace being managed by AI?


I’d give it a try. You supervise it until it proves out.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62079 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 1:20 pm to
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I’m just trying to learn,


How many crashed planes should he be allowed until he catches on?
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
10209 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 4:35 pm to
College grads from ATC courses washed out at a high rate. It has been tried before and the results were terrible. Reading this it sounds like this guy barely qualified and barely passed in his class, got sent to a facility and made absolutely no attempt to get better. When you get into a facility you have to study facility specific things, study your procedures, rules, and regulations, ask questions, practice etc. The older guys don't have much patience and if you show you are not willing to put in the work and improve they'll wash you out.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
21219 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 5:08 pm to
A shite article about shite people who can't handle stress
Posted by HeadCall
Member since Feb 2025
5715 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 5:12 pm to
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If it was a more respectful, understanding culture, more patient, then I think I would have been more inclined to stick with it,” Higgins said.


I mean this will all sincerity, we really need to bring back bullying in schools.
Posted by Glorious
Mobile
Member since Aug 2014
26344 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 5:24 pm to
It’s not hazing unless something gets broke, burned, eaten, or fricked
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16066 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 5:26 pm to
How many CCTs/FACs filter through y'alls ranks? It seems like next to none.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
23997 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 5:28 pm to
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ATC is one of those fields like medicine where the wrong decision at the wrong time can be catastrophic.


They have to have the right kind of mind. They either have it or they don't. I guess like fighter pilots.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
27471 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 5:30 pm to
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trainee Ryan Higgins deleted a plane’s data from the radar screen.
how is that even allowed to happen?
Posted by tilthatday
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2009
1011 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 6:03 pm to
Read the article. He’s now a “stay at home dad.”
Enough said.
Posted by m57
Flyover Country
Member since May 2017
2587 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 6:06 pm to
In an ARTCC environment there might be an instance where an aircraft leaves and reenters airspace and there is a duplicate flight plan because of this. Alternatively an aircraft might have pre-filed two different flight plans and one needs to be removed. He clearly removes the wrong one. I’ve heard stories of trainees at east coast centers removing the wrong flight plans for transatlantic flights before.


Here’s my take as a current FAA ATC working 6 day weeks. It’s not a job for the weak minded and those that need to be coddled. My facility has gotten trainees who come in knowing nothing they should going in. It’s very much a shite or get off the pot environment. Too much is at stake. Not saying that racism or sexism is acceptable because it’s not, but you need a thick skin for this job. You also need to learn from mistakes quickly rather than constantly repeat them.
This post was edited on 7/28/25 at 6:08 pm
Posted by tilthatday
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2009
1011 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 6:14 pm to
Read the article. He’s now a stay at home Dad.
Enough said.
Posted by m57
Flyover Country
Member since May 2017
2587 posts
Posted on 7/29/25 at 7:50 am to
Are you trying to reference FCT’s aka contract towers? We get a few occasionally.
Posted by GetMeOutOfHere
Member since Aug 2018
1138 posts
Posted on 7/29/25 at 8:14 am to
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I would have to imagine that this is one of those fields that's absolutely ripe for being one of the first on the chopping block with AI looming, no?


Absolutely not. You can't be 75% accurate.

If they did this, that's when I'd start driving instead of flying.
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