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re: Adding a room to a house without getting a permit
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:18 am to L1C4
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:18 am to L1C4
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Did he ask if he could pay for the permit after the fact?
I used to deal with people like this all the time.
They start building on sans permit; get caught. Come to me to do a set of drawings for work that’s halfway done. I’d do the drawings, they’d take them to the permit office, and voila…they get their permit and finish the project.
It’s sometimes easier to risk having to ask for forgiveness rather than permission. And the government doesn’t give a shite, just so long as they get their cut.
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:18 am to lepdagod
whats the address?
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:29 am to Armymann50
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I'm with you brother I come from a long line of farmers
The aggregation argument is a complete sham house of cards built on “ifs, maybes, possiblies, coulds, and mights”
If the government used that same argument for damn near anything else, say……. Tax loopholes…. Well. That would be staring the gift horse right in the mouth.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:33 am to beerJeep
In my experience, most people simply don’t know that they need a permit to do work on their own property.
And why would they? It’s really a bullshite concept that goes against ordinary common sense.
And why would they? It’s really a bullshite concept that goes against ordinary common sense.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:48 am to lepdagod
I’m a Texas attorney from Winnsboro, LA, but I have a friend that practices in Winnsboro and Monroe that I can connect you with. If I was handling this in Texas, I would advise the seller to simply disclose the non-permitted addition in the MLS and seller disclosure. Whoever is saying that it doesn’t count towards the property’s value or prevents the property from being sold has done a terrible job of advising you/your uncle and should not be listened to anymore. A property is ultimately worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and if a financed purchase, what an appraiser states it is worth, which usually ends up at or near the contract price. If the seller discloses the non-permitted addition and a buyer still wants to purchase it at the price the seller is asking, there should be no problems as long as your uncle doesn’t walk up to the appraiser during the appraisal and say hey we didn’t permit this addition.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:53 am to Dawgfanman
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Who is telling him he can’t sell?
I’m sure he can sell, but it’ll come with all kinds of headaches with the added unpermitted square footage and appraisals for the loan, insurance, etc… right?
I’m guessing the real issue is “you can’t sell for top dollar until this is remedied”
Posted on 1/21/24 at 12:01 pm to ETXSully
The uncle is very, very fortunate that he was turned down for section 8 vouchers. My son got trapped in that for a rental that lasted 5 months and wound up with 58 thousand dollars worth of damage that the section 8 folks said tough .
Posted on 1/21/24 at 12:02 pm to lepdagod
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house doesn't even qualify for section 8
frick your slumlord uncle, he's getting what he deserves.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 12:05 pm to lepdagod
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section 8
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lepdagod
I'm shocked
Posted on 1/21/24 at 12:30 pm to lepdagod
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asking because my Uncle is being told he can't sell one of his rental properties because of it.
That seems redundant
Posted on 1/21/24 at 12:34 pm to beerJeep
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How can the govt tell a farmer he can’t grow his own animal feed on his own property and that he needs to buy it instead?
What government does this, and for what animals? I know plenty of people that grow their own animal food. They damn sure aren't trucking in grass for the cows and sheep to eat...
Posted on 1/21/24 at 12:36 pm to Cowboyfan89
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What government does this, and for what animals? I know plenty of people that grow their own animal food. They damn sure aren't trucking in grass for the cows and sheep to eat..
The United States?
Wickard v filburn
An abomination of a Supreme Court ruling that expanded the scope of the federal government through a bastardized understanding and weaponization of the commerce clause.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 12:50 pm to ETXSully
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A property is ultimately worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and if a financed purchase, what an appraiser states it is worth, which usually ends up at or near the contract price. If the seller discloses the non-permitted addition and a buyer still wants to purchase it at the price the seller is asking, there should be no problems as long as your uncle doesn’t walk up to the appraiser during the appraisal and say hey we didn’t permit this addition.
Yep, and probably is trying to sell without the disclosure and claim extra usable space. Also could be an active citation/permit case with the City on the property for the illegal addition or something else. Also is the addition up to building code, if not that's a huge flag.
Owner could sell tomorrow for the right price, my guess is the actual sell price is going to be way less than what he wants unless he cleans up everything before selling.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 1:29 pm to NoSaint
I am still confused on how they or anyone else knew the add on was a add on and umpermitted.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 1:37 pm to lepdagod
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Adding a room to a house without getting a permit
if you do, it reduces the sale price of your home
you have to pay or reduce sale price for the new buyers, to the amount it cost to bulldoze the addition into ruble and restore your house to the way it was before.
unless you can find an all cash buyer for it and sell it as-is, and good luck dealing with that one
just pay the fricking couple hundred dollars for a permit and inspection so its up to code and do it right
Posted on 1/21/24 at 1:41 pm to GREENHEAD22
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I am still confused on how they or anyone else knew the add on was a add on and umpermitted.
they hasve detrailed records of your house as built and any changes made, will have the permits on record.
nothing on record means no permit and then you have a huge fine and in many cases the addition will have to be bulldozed into rubble. they dont just let you pay a fine after the fact, it must be taken down at least to open walls and studs so it can be inspected.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 1:43 pm to lepdagod
People always trying to cut corners where they shouldnt.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 1:45 pm to lepdagod
In several states where I’ve been involved in buying houses you can’t close on a loan if there are things lacking a permit. Different rules in different states, but in Monroe County, Florida it’s almost impossible to sell a house if you added to it without a permit. The easiest way to go forward is to rip the out what was put in illegally.
Before people go on about big government there are some really good reasons as to why we have building codes and building permits. The idea that you can do whatever you want on property you own is absurd.
Before people go on about big government there are some really good reasons as to why we have building codes and building permits. The idea that you can do whatever you want on property you own is absurd.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 2:56 pm to lepdagod
I converted a garage to a den without getting one. City figured it out and upped my value. No problem selling it.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 3:16 pm to Gordon Hayward
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Had no idea this was a thing. We are getting the house lifted with grant money and they’ll be closing in the garage to make another room. I permit the parish to lick my balls if they have an issue.
Had a friend that bought a house that had an unfinished upstairs. Once they decided to finish it they used a guy that wasn’t licensed. He didn’t get the proper permits. Fast forward about 8 years. They go to put on the market but their RE said they were going to have an issue because the new living SQ didn’t match from what was originally sold and without permits and code enforcement signing off on the improvements it was a big issue. They had to hire an attorney. Ended up costing them about 5K to get it straight where they could sell the house.
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