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re: Adding a room to a house without getting a permit

Posted on 1/21/24 at 3:20 pm to
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
19251 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 3:20 pm to

The safe play is to enclose the garage and then subdivide into rooms.

Then add a carport which later becomes a garage.
Posted by cypresstiger
The South
Member since Aug 2008
10614 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 3:36 pm to
He could just not go thru Section 8 and rent it out directly to whoever can pay.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24958 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 3:38 pm to
Took in a back porch and added three rooms. Had ac ducts ran and did my own electrical. House sold and passed inspection no problem. I didn’t add roofline though. Screw the assessors and the permit office. Nothing like having to pay and ask permission to improve something you own.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
18664 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 6:13 pm to
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f you do, it reduces the sale price of your home

you have to pay or reduce sale price for the new buyers, to the amount it cost to bulldoze the addition into ruble and restore your house to the way it was before.

unless you can find an all cash buyer for it and sell it as-is, and good luck dealing with that one

just pay the fricking couple hundred dollars for a permit and inspection so its up to code and do it right


None of this is true in Mississippi
Posted by BurlesonCountyAg
Member since Jan 2014
2988 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 6:26 pm to
I just bought a 2-bedroom house, but I think I get to decide how many bedrooms there are, don't you?
"frick you, real estate lady! This bedroom has an oven in it! This bedroom's got a lot of people sitting around watching TV. This bedroom's over in that guy's house! Sir, you have one of my bedrooms, are you aware? Don't decorate it!"”
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14473 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 7:04 pm to
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You will get your permission from big government, and you will say thank you

Somebody got to pay for all Dem cushy government workers and their pensions/raises etc...
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19610 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 7:10 pm to
So you are telling me Realtors check for building permits when selling a house every time? I find that hard to believe, especially for an add on that was done 20yrs ago.
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
17895 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 7:48 pm to
quote:

Wickard v filburn

An abomination of a Supreme Court ruling that expanded the scope of the federal government through a bastardized understanding and weaponization of the commerce clause.

Lobbyists. Eff em all!
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12718 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 7:55 pm to
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Wickard

Should have planted ryegrass.

But seriously, I don't know all of the details of what he did, but people plant wheat, oats, and other cereal grains in cover crops all the time and graze cows on them.
Posted by Guess_who
Member since Dec 2018
160 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:03 pm to
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they hasve detrailed records of your house as built and any changes made, will have the permits on record.

nothing on record means no permit and then you have a huge fine and in many cases the addition will have to be bulldozed into rubble. they dont just let you pay a fine after the fact, it must be taken down at least to open walls and studs so it can be inspected


I built a 1600 Sq ft garage with no permits and they didn't do shite lol. They caught it doing assessment and I just had a buddy draw up blueprints and pay for the permit. The money is all they give a damn about.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
5292 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:09 pm to
quote:

You will get your permission from big government, and you will say thank you


Why is it a problem that you are required to get a permit for something like this? It's in everyone's best interest to know something is safe and up to code.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
11290 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:22 pm to
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am still confused on how they or anyone else knew the add on was a add on and umpermitted.


Magic 8 ball says he started saying extra square footage and an extra bedroom but when something in the sale caused someone to peek at the records numbers were obviously mismatched

Not wanting to buy into a possibly sketchy add on the person decided to look for permits… and now here he is
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
8176 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:18 am to
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they dont just let you pay a fine after the fact, it must be taken down at least to open walls and studs so it can be inspected.



Who is "they"? The city? I build custom homes and I have never built a single one that finished exactly per city/county/parish submitted and stamped build plan. Even if a city inspector were to have caught someone during the actual unpermitted remodel construction, they would red tag the work, but it is highly unlikely they would ever have someone bulldoze something down. No one at a city (at least the ones I have worked within) level is going to give a shite about a years old addition as long as it doesn't cross property/easement lines or there is a code violation visible from the street. The buyers inspector would be the one to worry about.
Posted by Fat Harry
70115
Member since Mar 2005
2217 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 2:15 am to
There's a pretty short prescriptive period for an unpermitted addition or non-conforming structure.
Unless it is in the French Quarter. There, the prescriptive period runs only from actual notice by the VCC of the nonconforming structure. So if this home is in the FQ, they can make the owner demolish it.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7113 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:20 am to
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Had no idea this was a thing. We are getting the house lifted with grant money and they’ll be closing in the garage to make another room. I permit the parish to lick my balls if they have an issue.


They don't mind a bit kicking you in the balls and you will have sore balls.

Folks complain about shite costing a fortune but they will line up around the corner to tell other people what they can and can't do with their property. Changes in zoning ordinances and building codes are the main driver of increased property values over the last 50 years and NONE of those changes have added any wealth to the economy but more importantly NONE has made anyone any safer. What they have done is priced many people out of the market and made slaves to the market out of most. People LOVE telling one another what they can and can't do with their property...to the point that most new homes now have an unelected board who can toss a homeowner out of their home for almost any reason and those boards are almost unregulated...most states will allow a HOA to do anything it damn well pleases. Meanwhile elected officials allow developers to build the poorest quality shite imaginable but won't allow a homeowner to replace his own water heater. Folks could care less as long as they can dictate to their neighbor what their neighbor does with his property.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7113 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:34 am to
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Before people go on about big government there are some really good reasons as to why we have building codes and building permits. The idea that you can do whatever you want on property you own is absurd.


Is it? Is it more absurd than allowing large developers to build shitty houses on questionable foundations? Talk to condo owners in South Florida. If the government is going to get involved in telling people what they can and can not do with their property then the government should be liable when they allow a developer to build a house on a foundation with a layer of top soil covering a pile of construction debris for a foundation. The county should be liable when they inspect and approve plans and inspect and approve building methods and they go to shite in a few years...but instead the buyer is ultimately responsible, the county sure as hell ain't exposed at all and the developer seeks shelter from any liability in the courts. The bankers and the insurance company executives made their money, they don't give a frick if the shareholders make any or not.

In most counties in Georgia you can build a house yourself. You can't sell it or rent it for 24 months after the date of occupancy. You can, however, if you know someone with a grandfathered license, and they're are a bunch of them, pay that person a small sum of money to pull permits and you can do anything you want with the house as soon as you have a certificate of occupancy. There is some variant of this in just about all states unless they simply will not issue a homeowner permit at all. They're is NOTHING about zoning or building codes that protect the buyer, they are all about limiting competition. Thats absurd.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7113 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:41 am to
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Why is it a problem that you are required to get a permit for something like this? It's in everyone's best interest to know something is safe and up to code.



Having passed an inspection in any jurisdiction does not mean anything is up to code and it damn sure don't mean its safe. The authority having jurisdiction has NO exposure. They inspect at a million mile high level. They inspect before things are covered up but have NO idea what is done from the time they inspect until the stuff is covered up. It is common practice to dig a footing, compact it, place reinforcing steel, get an inspection and as soon as the inspector leaves start throwing building debris into the footings and covering it with concrete. Some builders use the same reinforcing steel over and over again. The fact that it was inspected means NOTHING. If it goes to shite the builder will ask for protection from the courts, the buyer is shite out of luck and the builder is right back at it again with a new name and another bonding (insurance) policy. If you think zoning and building codes protect consumers take a look at the way folks drive. The same agency meant to keep driving somewhat safe is involved in zoning and building codes.
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
3142 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:43 am to
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quote:I am still confused on how they or anyone else knew the add on was a add on and umpermitted. they hasve detrailed records of your house as built and any changes made, will have the permits on record. nothing on record means no permit and then you have a huge fine and in many cases the addition will have to be bulldozed into rubble. they dont just let you pay a fine after the fact, it must be taken down at least to open walls and studs so it can be inspected.


No. It means that when the due diligence done by the lending institution for the buyer it will not show the improvements in the public record. They won’t loan the money. An engineer can certify it, or he can go through the process of permitting and inspection.
Posted by Ssubba
Member since Oct 2014
6617 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:45 am to
Last month while waiting in line I listened to an elderly Italian dude argue with the chief plans reviewer for 20 minutes about his 12x12 shed drawings he made himself. He was missing some pretty obvious stuff on his drawings, but I was just impressed he was pulling a permit at all.
Posted by TheHumanTornado
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since May 2008
3764 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:48 am to
Will need a window to be counted as a bedroom when selling I believe.
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