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According to my Yankee Boss and co-worker... slaves had it made...
Posted on 8/1/19 at 2:11 am
Posted on 8/1/19 at 2:11 am
To start, please read all of this before commenting. I'll try to keep it short ( as possible)
Second, I dont want this post to be political. More just venting the stupidity of them.
Third, I work for a reputable defense contractor... not McDonalds or whatever else yall will undoubtedly come up with.
So I'm sending a email and my Boss and coworker are having a discussion about how slaves really didnt have it that bad.
According to them they were fed, housed, clothed, etc. My Boss (who I dont care for and sleeps on the job) is going on about how only like 1 or 2% were beaten, how rare it was, and most owners didnt do that. And that in any workplace you are going to have people that are trouble makers.
Trying to bite my tongue, but I finally said... well I guess it just depended on your owner.
And my boss is like, yeah, but in most cases after the war slaves came back to work for their owners, etc. (And in some aspects what he was saying is very true)
Then my coworker (who is a pathological liar to a degree I have never seen before) chimes in and asks me how was a slaves life different than mine...
At this point, I'm like what the frick??? I looked at him and my boss and said the difference is if I want to leave I can. If I dont like you or you, I can just leave. If I dont like anything about this place, I can walk out that door.
Obviously there was alot more to be said and alot more differences than that. But at that point I was done. I just let them babble on with their stupidity, finished my email, and left for home.
Second, I dont want this post to be political. More just venting the stupidity of them.
Third, I work for a reputable defense contractor... not McDonalds or whatever else yall will undoubtedly come up with.
So I'm sending a email and my Boss and coworker are having a discussion about how slaves really didnt have it that bad.
According to them they were fed, housed, clothed, etc. My Boss (who I dont care for and sleeps on the job) is going on about how only like 1 or 2% were beaten, how rare it was, and most owners didnt do that. And that in any workplace you are going to have people that are trouble makers.
Trying to bite my tongue, but I finally said... well I guess it just depended on your owner.
And my boss is like, yeah, but in most cases after the war slaves came back to work for their owners, etc. (And in some aspects what he was saying is very true)
Then my coworker (who is a pathological liar to a degree I have never seen before) chimes in and asks me how was a slaves life different than mine...
At this point, I'm like what the frick??? I looked at him and my boss and said the difference is if I want to leave I can. If I dont like you or you, I can just leave. If I dont like anything about this place, I can walk out that door.
Obviously there was alot more to be said and alot more differences than that. But at that point I was done. I just let them babble on with their stupidity, finished my email, and left for home.
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 2:29 am
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Posted on 8/1/19 at 2:27 am to NATidefan
That’s a deep conversation to be had while waiting for the fryer timer.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 2:31 am to TDsngumbo
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That’s a deep conversation to be had while waiting for the fryer timer.
More like while sending emails for missile guidance systems, but yeah... If I was doing fries, I would agree.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 2:42 am to NATidefan
I had a professor at LSU tell us once that slavery was a human institution, therefore the entire gamut, from noble to evil, occurred within slavery just as it did free society.
Some were treated brutally (although Caribbean and South American slavery made American Chattel slavery look tame, relatively).
Slaves were property. And just like some people take care of their property and some don’t, there were all types of masters. All sorts of relationships.
The institution itself was awful and its ignominious legacy haunts us to this day.
But...from a subjective, evolutionary standpoint, it was a boon for the genetic lineage of sub-Saharan Africa.
They were able to spread far outside their normal range (seeing as how they hadn’t discovered seafaring) and their descendants that survived are much better off than those in Africa now.
They get paid to breed...which is a dangerous thing. But evolutionarily they are thriving.
Some were treated brutally (although Caribbean and South American slavery made American Chattel slavery look tame, relatively).
Slaves were property. And just like some people take care of their property and some don’t, there were all types of masters. All sorts of relationships.
The institution itself was awful and its ignominious legacy haunts us to this day.
But...from a subjective, evolutionary standpoint, it was a boon for the genetic lineage of sub-Saharan Africa.
They were able to spread far outside their normal range (seeing as how they hadn’t discovered seafaring) and their descendants that survived are much better off than those in Africa now.
They get paid to breed...which is a dangerous thing. But evolutionarily they are thriving.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 2:49 am to NATidefan
Their general premise that slavery was not nearly as widespread and bad as he general public is led to believe is correct. Only 4% of southerners owned slaves at the height of the Atlantic slave trade
Posted on 8/1/19 at 2:56 am to TigerChief10
Not only that, but there was a significant amount of free blacks that owned slaves as well Black slave owners
One of the bigger slave owners in Louisiana was a free black woman named Marie Metoyer. She had almost 300 slaves at one point.
One of the bigger slave owners in Louisiana was a free black woman named Marie Metoyer. She had almost 300 slaves at one point.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 2:58 am to TigerChief10
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Their general premise that slavery was not nearly as widespread and bad as he general public is led to believe is correct. Only 4% of southerners owned slaves at the height of the Atlantic slave trade
They werent talking about how wide spread it was.
Mainly that slaves really didnt have it that bad because they were fed, clothed, housed, and it was rare for them to be beaten.
I'm not disagreeing with any of that. Those statements are true until you want to get into what "not having it that bad" means.
But when you start talking about how my life is not any different from theirs was it is total bullshite.
I can choose where I live.
I can choose where I work.
I can choose to educate and can educate myself to obtain a better job that pays more.
I can save the money I have earned to purchase a home, land, etc.
If someone up and decides to sell my children, my possessions, my wife, or me to another company they dont have that ability.
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 3:24 am
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:02 am to TigerChief10
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Their general premise that slavery was not nearly as widespread and bad as he general public is led to believe is correct. Only 4% of southerners owned slaves at the height of the Atlantic slave trade
This is true.
It is also true that there were many different types of"owners."
Most importantly, most of those who get accused of being racist by liberals today would stand up and fight to the death if someone tried to capture and enslave his neighbor of any race. Other parts of the world on the other hand, are still actively trading slaves... and Africans have never even taken a break from it.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:03 am to TigerChief10
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Their general premise that slavery was not nearly as widespread and bad as he general public is led to believe is correct. Only 4% of southerners owned slaves at the height of the Atlantic slave trade
Also, you didnt read my post.
Because I didnt mention anything about them saying slavery was widespread.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:07 am to TigerChief10
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Only 4% of southerners owned slaves at the height of the Atlantic slave trade
The figures vary widely on that. If you are interested look into the data Joseph T. Glatthaar compiled from the 1860 census. It does show that roughly 4% of individuals owned slaves but once you move to households the number was near 25%. So from an individual perspective, the number is reasonably correct but misleading when used alone and takes advantage of the way slaveholding was categorized at the time. IIRC those census figures showed almost 50% of Mississippi households owned at least one slave which was the highest of any state. There were also quite a few people that did not have enough money to own slaves but rented them from slaveholders.
Trying to minimize the extent of people in the pre-war South owned or used slaves is an exercise in futility.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:11 am to NATidefan
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Obviously there was alot more to be said and alot more differences than that
Come on. Don't leave us hanging.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:19 am to fr33manator
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But...from a subjective, evolutionary standpoint, it was a boon for the genetic lineage of sub-Saharan Africa.
They were able to spread far outside their normal range (seeing as how they hadn’t discovered seafaring) and their descendants that survived are much better off than those in Africa now.
Well, when we get ready to colonize Mars I'm sure you will be ok with us packing up your family and sending them there. Whether they want to go or not.
I mean, think of all the oppurtunities that possibly await them there. If things work out, they might not live in their parent's house like you.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:21 am to Sao
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Come on. Don't leave us hanging
I already said some of it in a response comment.
Ability to own land, choose where I work, choose where I live, etc.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:23 am to NATidefan
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So I'm sending a email and my Boss and coworker are having a discussion about how slaves really didnt have it that bad.
Offer to buy them. Slavery is legal in some parts of the world. Start a gofundme. Tell them what a good master you’d be.
If they don’t agree, tell them to STFU.
Slavery is a profane, gene twisting abomination that is wantonly cruel and absolutely wrong by any acceptable moral measure.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:29 am to NATidefan
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Well, when we get ready to colonize Mars I'm sure you will be ok with us packing up your family and sending them there. Whether they want to go or not.
So you can’t comprehend how a bad situation generations ago could prove a boon for their progeny? I’m just saying that most everyone that came to America, however bad they had it to start, benefitted their genetic line in the long run.
You think most black people in America would rather be starving in Africa?
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I mean, think of all the oppurtunities that possibly await them there. If things work out,
There definitely might be. Look at Australia. It was populated by criminals who would otherwise have been hanged. I’d say in the Long run it worked out for their progeny.
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they might not live in their parent's house like you.
I moved out at 17 and never went back
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:36 am to NATidefan
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More like while sending emails for missile guidance systems
The one thing military defense contractors are known for is bragging about being defense contractors on a public message board.
I feel like this is probably a violation of some NDA that you signed.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:46 am to fr33manator
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So you can’t comprehend how a bad situation generations ago could prove a boon for their progeny? I’m just saying that most everyone that came to America, however bad they had it to start, benefitted their genetic line in the long run.
Yeah, but dont you think you deserve to have the choice if you want to go? And I'm not even including having the choice to do what you want when you get there.
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You think most black people in America would rather be starving in Africa?
No, but I think most people in general would want to have the choice of whether they leave their home or not.
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There definitely might be. Look at Australia. It was populated by criminals who would otherwise have been hanged. I’d say in the Long run it worked out for their progeny.
If you wanna ship criminals to mars, I'm ok with that.
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I moved out at 17 and never went back
Parents paying your rent? Nice...
Posted on 8/1/19 at 3:51 am to The Pirate King
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The one thing military defense contractors are known for is bragging about being defense contractors on a public message board.
I feel like this is probably a violation of some NDA that you signed.
You obviously dont know much about being a defense contrator.
My Facebook profile says what I do and who I work for. So does my linked in, indeed profile, etc.
If I wanted to brag I would have mentioned the actual missile I was talking about. Which also would have been fine. There are fricking youtube videos of it.
If anything I was being discrete because I don't want people tieing me, to my work, to what my boss was saying.
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 3:54 am
Posted on 8/1/19 at 4:26 am to NATidefan
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Yeah, but dont you think you deserve to have the choice if you want to go? And I'm not even including having the choice to do what you want when you get there.
Do don’t seem to grasp the fundamental fact of what is positive for the long run of someone’s genetic line might not be very enjoyable for their ancestors.
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No, but I think most people in general would want to have the choice of whether they leave their home or not.
If they had a choice in the matter, they wouldn’t have went, thus their genes wouldn’t have spread and they would not have flourished as a diaspora. Why is this so hard to grasp for you?
It’s like the seeds of a plant being spread across the ocean. It benefits the species in the long run by giving it new land to spread in.
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Parents paying your rent? Nice...
Motherfricker i’m A grown arse man with a mortgage.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 4:52 am to fr33manator
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Motherfricker i’m A grown arse unhinged man with a mortgage.
Fify.
And while we’re on the subject of property.........meh I’d rather not hit below the belt
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